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- Sep 16 2015, 5:33 PM (255 w, 17 h)
Wed, Jul 22
@tosta The current KWrite icon can be improved, but there is no reason to replace it with a totally different one.
Mon, Jul 20
@ngraham logo vs icon discussion is a very minor issue (though I would be happy to see if Ken Vermette, Uri Herrera and others who contributed to Breeze Icons for apps agree or disagree with me), instead I want Breeze Icons to be treated like any other component like Kwin, Kirigami etc i.e. with maintainers/major contributors that have the final say. I followed the development of other KDE projects in the past and I know there are always developers that know very well that specific codebase because they contributed a lot over the years and took responsability as maintainers. This used to be the case also with Breeze Icons. My contributions to it is good just because of the input by previous contributors, I was even lucky enough to learn in person from Ken Vermette.
Fri, Jul 17
This is the Mozilla logo:
@ngraham go to any art school and they will tell you the difference between a logo (branding) and an icon (software user interface).
Thu, Jul 16
@ngraham can you stop this please? You all are ruining all our previous work. Aren't you able to see how much wrong these icons are? Can we please stop recruiting pleale without the needed skills for this work and don't give OKs by people who contribute in other areas (you)? This is serious stuff exactly like code, don't treat imagery like a second citizen. In other communities (Mozilla, GNOME, Elementary) this doesn't happen.
Wed, Jul 15
Use Breeze color palette.
Mar 20 2020
Mar 18 2020
In my mockups there is already less dimming than in current implementation, I think that is already a good middle ground
Mar 17 2020
If you need some inspiration:
Mar 8 2020
Please consider making Latte Dock just more integrated, for example presenting it as an "advanced panel" with its menu entry: right click on the desktop > add new panel > advanced panel. Maybe the process could still be "plasmashell" if possible. It could be shipped with an additional package ("plasma-advanced-panel" or something like that according to distro naming system) and each distro could decide to ship it by default or not. The release could be the same as Plasma to make clear that Latte Dock (or whatever would be it's name) 5.x.y is meant to work with Plasma 5.x.y. Maybe the layout manager could include classic Plasma panels.
Nov 2 2019
Activities don't add much on Virtual Desktops? It's litterally the only feature for me to use Plasma and don't consider any other DE, the reason I still use X11 despite it's insecure (Activities actually don't work on Wayland). Activities boosts productivity much more than any other software I ever tried! With this I'm done, good luck.
Thank you for your replies. As I said I discussed a new icon for Activities time ago but Ivan decided to stay with the 3-dots one. I can't always be around to check that previous decisions aren't overwritten by others. Isn't up to others to check if there were previous discussions on an icon? The one on the Activities icon is somewhere here on Phabricator. Found: https://phabricator.kde.org/M90
Nov 1 2019
To be honest I don't like the new icons. In general Uri with the original Breeze and Ken with its revamped version set original styles with their consistency. They are for me real visual designers. Instead now I see new icons added with lower quality, mixing different styles and even recycling icons from other sets (I hate this so much that I manually delete them from my installation). Breeze icons are not "take an icon from another set, remove/add gradients, done."
Sep 30 2019
Sep 28 2019
@ngraham wouldn't right click a quick alternative way to open the more options menu?
Sep 20 2019
Sep 19 2019
Sep 18 2019
I don't think glasses will ever look good at small sizes, can't we use something else for Okular? A clip? A highlighter?
Would something like this being enough for Kate i.e. an origami bird made of current icon paper?
Here there is an example of brand artwork using that diagonal shape for Konsole:
What do you think about this kind of icon? This one is for Discover: the puzzle pieces indicate apps and other addons, the triangles the packages that ship the apps and the ">" shape looks like Plasma logo.
@ngraham I don't know about macOS, but ElementaryOS icons look so good because they are designed for each size and I don't think we have the manpower to do that to Breeze icons.
@ngraham I think you have a problem with minimalism :) original Breeze icon for Gwenview, Kate and KWrite were even worse than the current ones by me, in fact I already tried to go back to some Oxygen style.
Just to be clear, is Gwenview icon enough descriptive and distinctive at the same time?
Hey there, Gwenview, Kate and Kwrite icons are by me.
Jun 22 2019
The important thing is preserving the current ease in distinguishing active window from inactives (for all windows, not only Qt/KDE ones)
OK, but I don't think that changing Breeze theme for QtWidgets is a good idea to solve an issue with the title bar, only KDE/Qt applications using QtWidgets would benefit of this. And since then Breeze theme for QtWidgets and Breeze window decoration will only make sense if used together.
What do you think about inactive window title bar matching Plasma panels theme (90% opaque white by default with blur)?
Jun 19 2019
The problem with that approach is that with a lot of tabs, the amount of remaining drag area is tiny and borderline useless, just like Firefox with CSD currently has
Jun 18 2019
Hey @ngraham, you said tabs in the title bar prejudice usability in dragging the window like in Firefox and I think you are right, so I did the following mockup with a responsive layout for the title bar, can you let me know if it would be good for you? Thanks!
Jun 13 2019
Another option would be displaying a label "Menu" instead of the hamburger menu when the window is narrow and File Edit View... labels when there is enough space and dragging area
Jun 12 2019
Just a mockup but is this middle ground solution good enough?
Maybe this is just a perception from the point of view of the icons. When looking at the two images, I don't see a perceptible change with the titlebar height, but I notice it with the icons. If the icons were consistently the same size and the titlebar a different height, would that be good?
BTW. There were window tabs (not app controlled though) in KDE4, but nobody ported them.
Jun 11 2019
@ngraham After thinking better, I think you're right but I also think that such a large title bar contributes a lot to making users hate server-side decorations. I can't think of any solution apart from making it more useful with tabs like in the Plasma Sets mockup.
Jun 10 2019
May I suggest to change title bar size from medium to little? I'm on a 169 DPI screen (very high for desktop without UI scaling) and it's still very usable
Jun 9 2019
At 16x16 the symbol could be removed and just show the document frame (I thought about this when I insisted to associate a color with mostly each mimetype).
Anyway consider that any change to mimetype icons imply a lot of work.
In my opinion we shouldn't touch Breeze theme for Qt apps or massively redesign KDE apps.
Please consider that KDE apps with Breeze theme could run in a DE without KWin and that not all the apps use Qt, KDE widgets and Breeze theme: KWin should make obvious for every app if its window is active or not. We should change Breeze theme for window decorations only.
Mar 7 2019
Jan 21 2019
Just a thought: since "alternatives" pattern seems to work, what if Bob find as alternative to application launcher (Kick off) a full screen launcher like the GNOME one, that:
Jan 17 2019
Jan 14 2019
@scherek except for the icon-only tabs (that I don't think would work), do you mean something like this?
@oussemabouaneni it's writter in the very first image: the browser (and other apps with tabs) should hide their tab bar. Managing shortcuts in a meaningful way shouldn't be a problem. The challenge would be integrating existing browsers like Firefox and not only the KDE one, Falkon.
I'm mostly with Andy on this.
Jan 6 2019
I'm the author of this one:
Dec 19 2018
Dec 3 2018
Nov 15 2018
Sep 21 2018
Very cool icons! But in the panic one the padlock is too small :-/ what a about a checkmark (✅) on the wall instead?
Sep 14 2018
Sep 13 2018
Do we want time, stopwatch, alarms and timers to be in the same app? We already have KTimer (h[[ https://phabricator.kde.org/M130 | ere a mockup) ]]. Should we develop the remain apps standalone like KTimer or merge it in this "Clock" app?
Wouldn't tabs and navigation by horizontal swipes better to change location? Same for parameters, maybe with arrows to indicate that you can swipe right/left to view another parameter?
Jul 15 2018
Jun 26 2018
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Jun 5 2018
It seems to me that this area intersects with the PIM one. Are we sure we want applications organized this way? It may sound more difficult to implement but I think the most logical design would be the following: