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fbampaloukas added a watcher for KDE Applications: fbampaloukas.
Sun, Jun 16, 9:46 AM

Yesterday

mglb added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

What would this look like in a language that isn't LTR? Would it be better to maybe have it on the right side in that case?

Sat, Jun 15, 11:49 AM · KDE Applications, VDG

Thu, Jun 13

lavender added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

What would this look like in a language that isn't LTR? Would it be better to maybe have it on the right side in that case?

Thu, Jun 13, 9:30 AM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

Another option would be displaying a label "Menu" instead of the hamburger menu when the window is narrow and File Edit View... labels when there is enough space and dragging area

Thu, Jun 13, 8:13 AM · KDE Applications, VDG

Wed, Jun 12

davidhurka added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

That looks perfect to me.

Wed, Jun 12, 9:11 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ndavis added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

@davidhurka Here's my go at making something like what you described:

Wed, Jun 12, 9:05 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
davidhurka added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

You have the menubar labels vertically centered, I would have them moved a little downwards.

Wed, Jun 12, 7:21 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

Is there a consensus that the titlebars are not liked enough by the users, possibly because they appear to waste too much space while looking empty?

If so, I want to suggest this: Make the menubar titlebar button expandable, so the menubar can be shown inside the titlebar.
For narrow windows:

  • it would stay a hamburger button,
  • or the menubar is cut off somewhere with a drop down button.

    The text in the menubar could be placed a bit downwards, to indicate that it belongs to the application, not the window system.

    Of course, this does not work for browsers which have no menubar by default.
Wed, Jun 12, 6:56 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
davidhurka added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

Is there a consensus that the titlebars are not liked enough by the users, possibly because they appear to waste too much space while looking empty?

Wed, Jun 12, 6:34 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

Thanks, that's perfect!

Wed, Jun 12, 5:37 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a subtask for T10201: Window titlebars: T11082: Buttons look in Breeze window title bar.
Wed, Jun 12, 5:36 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

@ngraham I opened this, I hope everything is OK: https://phabricator.kde.org/T11082

Wed, Jun 12, 5:24 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.
In T10201#188279, @mglb wrote:

Edit: here there is a mockup, the title bar height is the same, the icons are smaller and the clickable area is bigger and change background color when hovering. It feels better to me:

The button active area already extend to the corner when window is maximized, so this makes sense. I even thought it works like that in normal window already heh.

However, what are the chances for misclick when resizing a window in the corner? Wouldn't be a problem?

Wed, Jun 12, 2:48 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
mglb added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

Edit: here there is a mockup, the title bar height is the same, the icons are smaller and the clickable area is bigger and change background color when hovering. It feels better to me:

Wed, Jun 12, 2:47 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

That's not bad!

Wed, Jun 12, 2:45 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
abetts renamed T10968: Make kde.org/applications prettier from Make kde.org/applications more pretty to Make kde.org/applications prettier.
Wed, Jun 12, 2:35 PM · Website Developers, KDE Applications
ognarb added a comment to T10968: Make kde.org/applications prettier.

Thanks for the mockup, this look interesting. I will make the search bar also search for matching description and try to implement the scroll shortcut ;)

Wed, Jun 12, 12:58 PM · Website Developers, KDE Applications
aspotashev added a comment to T10968: Make kde.org/applications prettier.

a mockup to clarify my idea:

Wed, Jun 12, 12:45 PM · Website Developers, KDE Applications
skadinna added a comment to T10968: Make kde.org/applications prettier.

Alternatively, maybe add a section under the search bar that lists all categories? Every category name can be a link leading to that particular category on the page.

Wed, Jun 12, 12:43 PM · Website Developers, KDE Applications
aspotashev added a comment to T10968: Make kde.org/applications prettier.

@aspotashev I added a search field, I think this could help to make it easier to find information. Do you think it's enough, or should we also add create a mobile view where only the categories are displayed?

Wed, Jun 12, 12:40 PM · Website Developers, KDE Applications
martinsotirov added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

Edit: here there is a mockup, the title bar height is the same, the icons are smaller and the clickable are is bigger and change background color when hovering. It feels better to me:

I like that. Having the clickable area extend to the end of the frame like on Windows is better from a usability standpoint because you don't have to aim so precisely. Especially if your window is maximized you can just jam your mouse in the corner and click to close.

Wed, Jun 12, 9:19 AM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

Maybe this is just a perception from the point of view of the icons. When looking at the two images, I don't see a perceptible change with the titlebar height, but I notice it with the icons. If the icons were consistently the same size and the titlebar a different height, would that be good?

Wed, Jun 12, 8:57 AM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

BTW. There were window tabs (not app controlled though) in KDE4, but nobody ported them.

Wed, Jun 12, 8:49 AM · KDE Applications, VDG
skadinna moved T10159: kde.org/applications rewrite from Blocked/Waiting - Tasks with some progress that are now paused to Done on the KDE Promo board.
Wed, Jun 12, 8:17 AM · KDE Applications, Website Developers, KDE Promo

Tue, Jun 11

filipf added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.
In T10201#188085, @mglb wrote:

Now, having Breeze (light) actually be light in its entirety could be another step in improving things. FWIW some of my experiments in achieving fluidity between the WM and the window revolved around a different solution - painting the controlbar in a dark color, same as the titlebar.

Is this just a mockup? If not, how different icon sets on a toolbar and rest of a window are handled?

Tue, Jun 11, 9:20 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
squeakypancakes added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.
In T10201#188085, @mglb wrote:

Maybe per-app/per-window breeze configuration, like KWin's "Window Rules"?

Tue, Jun 11, 6:11 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
mglb added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

I would like my desktop to simply tolerate applications with different interfaces.pHow about a simple approach to preserve such interfaces: Count the number of toolbar rows, and only darken the toolbars if they are not more than 2 or 3 rows. Otherwise, only darken the menubar.

Tue, Jun 11, 3:20 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
abetts added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

@ngraham After thinking better, I think you're right but I also think that such a large title bar contributes a lot to making users hate server-side decorations. I can't think of any solution apart from making it more useful with tabs like in the Plasma Sets mockup.

Tue, Jun 11, 3:07 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
sitter added a comment to T10159: kde.org/applications rewrite.

@jriddell Would it be possible to have https://kde.org/applications/utilities/ark instead of https://kde.org/applications/utilities/org.kde.ark?

i.e. add some .htaccess magic that rewrites the URLs without the org.kde. prefix?
I feel like this prefix is just an appstream implementation detail that shouldn't be exposed in the app URL.

@sitter any comment on why this URL scheme was chosen?

Tue, Jun 11, 10:44 AM · KDE Applications, Website Developers, KDE Promo
alex-l added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

@ngraham After thinking better, I think you're right but I also think that such a large title bar contributes a lot to making users hate server-side decorations. I can't think of any solution apart from making it more useful with tabs like in the Plasma Sets mockup.

Tue, Jun 11, 8:51 AM · KDE Applications, VDG

Mon, Jun 10

lavender added a comment to M113: KDE USB creator.

An issue I see is that on the second view there is no indication of what ISO image you selected, so if you selected the wrong file you have no idea of knowing.

Mon, Jun 10, 9:51 PM · KDE Applications, Neon
ngraham added a comment to M113: KDE USB creator.

The name seems accurate: it's an app to write ISO images, because it only supports the "write" use case and not the "burn" use case. If it supported optical media too, it might be more aptly named "ISO Image Writer/Burner" :)

Mon, Jun 10, 9:30 PM · KDE Applications, Neon
bgupta added a comment to M113: KDE USB creator.

I have one comment: ISO files are supposed to be burned to optical media. The fact that one can create hybrid ISOs which can also be written to USB drives doesn't mean that all ISOs can be written to USB drives. Most Linux distros generate hybrid ISOs, but some do not, and other operating systems (Windows, for example) do not.

Mon, Jun 10, 8:24 PM · KDE Applications, Neon
ognarb added a comment to T10968: Make kde.org/applications prettier.

BTW, kde.org/applications now also support multiple screenshots per apps using a carousel.

Mon, Jun 10, 5:01 PM · Website Developers, KDE Applications
ognarb added a comment to T10968: Make kde.org/applications prettier.

@aspotashev I added a search field, I think this could help to make it easier to find information. Do you think it's enough, or should we also add create a mobile view where only the categories are displayed?

Mon, Jun 10, 5:01 PM · Website Developers, KDE Applications
ngraham added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

In general I think the UI elements throughout KDE software are too small, not too large (see also T9460). Making sure interactive controls are large enough to provide decent click targets is particularly important for people with limited motor skills, children, touchpad users, and touchscreen users. I think making titlebars smaller by default would impair those use cases. People who prefer a more compact appearance can already change the size themselves. :)

Mon, Jun 10, 3:08 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

May I suggest to change title bar size from medium to little? I'm on a 169 DPI screen (very high for desktop without UI scaling) and it's still very usable

Mon, Jun 10, 3:05 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham updated the task description for T10201: Window titlebars.
Mon, Jun 10, 2:45 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham updated the task description for T10201: Window titlebars.
Mon, Jun 10, 2:45 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10159: kde.org/applications rewrite.

I feel like this prefix is just an appstream implementation detail that shouldn't be exposed in the app URL.

Mon, Jun 10, 2:09 PM · KDE Applications, Website Developers, KDE Promo
jriddell added a comment to T10159: kde.org/applications rewrite.

@jriddell Would it be possible to have https://kde.org/applications/utilities/ark instead of https://kde.org/applications/utilities/org.kde.ark?

i.e. add some .htaccess magic that rewrites the URLs without the org.kde. prefix?
I feel like this prefix is just an appstream implementation detail that shouldn't be exposed in the app URL.

Mon, Jun 10, 10:46 AM · KDE Applications, Website Developers, KDE Promo

Sun, Jun 9

filipf added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

FWIW some of my experiments in achieving fluidity between the WM and the window revolved around a different solution - painting the controlbar in a dark color, same as the titlebar. This has some appeal, although it would unfortunately introduce inconsistency because some apps only have the titlebar (e.g kcms) and it looks clumsy when you spawn the menubar.

Sun, Jun 9, 3:27 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
mvourlakos added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

I really like the idea...

Sun, Jun 9, 3:17 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
elvisangelaccio added a comment to T10159: kde.org/applications rewrite.

@jriddell Would it be possible to have https://kde.org/applications/utilities/ark instead of https://kde.org/applications/utilities/org.kde.ark?

Sun, Jun 9, 9:20 AM · KDE Applications, Website Developers, KDE Promo
alex-l added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

In my opinion we shouldn't touch Breeze theme for Qt apps or massively redesign KDE apps.
Please consider that KDE apps with Breeze theme could run in a DE without KWin and that not all the apps use Qt, KDE widgets and Breeze theme: KWin should make obvious for every app if its window is active or not. We should change Breeze theme for window decorations only.

Sun, Jun 9, 8:20 AM · KDE Applications, VDG

Thu, Jun 6

squeakypancakes added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

I would like my desktop to simply tolerate applications with different interfaces.pHow about a simple approach to preserve such interfaces: Count the number of toolbar rows, and only darken the toolbars if they are not more than 2 or 3 rows. >Otherwise, only darken the menubar.

Thu, Jun 6, 11:24 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
davidhurka added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

So yes, we should and must consider "Pro" apps, but we cannot fix apps that are already have very problematic user interfaces.

Thu, Jun 6, 10:29 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
niccolove added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

I really hope that's not how FreeCad actually looks by default...

FreeCAD only has 2 toolbars by default.

Thu, Jun 6, 10:08 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ndavis added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

I really hope that's not how FreeCad actually looks by default...

Thu, Jun 6, 9:35 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

I just want to point out that quite aside from the color of the titlebar and toolbar (which is pretty much the only thing this task is about), the above screenshot depicts a UI catastrophe! It seriously looks like the joke pictures of Internet Explorer or Word that people used to share in the 2000's:

Thu, Jun 6, 9:29 PM · KDE Applications, VDG