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- Sep 14 2018, 11:24 AM (106 w, 5 d)
Wed, Sep 16
Is text under icons your personal setting? Will I see text alongside icons then?
+1 to a toolbar. My suggestion would be to have text alongside icons, as we rarely (=pretty much never) use text under icons and would thus be more consistent and free more vertical space. If the button's don't fit in the toolbar, some buttons could also work without their labels, such as copy and paste or s.lit viev, since their icons are extremely recognizable already. Also please consider using some separators and/or fill width spacers
Sun, Sep 6
Just for fun: FerenOSdev was the most harsh when giving votes (their personal sum is -6), while Carl was the kindest (with 6).
The Shell wallpaper author was contacted.
Unless I counted wrong, the results currently are:
Grand Canyon: -1
Flow Dark: +2
Milky Way: -1
Rainy morning: -2
Fri, Sep 4
This was implemented in Kirigami and it's waiting for a QWidgets counterpart
Aug 31 2020
What about: 5.20 darker flow, 5.21 milky way? That could be a good compromise
Aug 30 2020
Even though I'm not a fan of Milky Way, I guess we should find compromises, so I'm ok with it being used in 5.19 if it's preferred over darker flow
I'd strongly strongly suggest doing a contest for plasma 6. It would result surely in a new beautiful wallpaper and it would help promotion greatly.
Aug 23 2020
Magic convoluted solution, second try:
- The plasma themes defines four new margins: left-margin, center-margin, right-margin, separator-margin
- Specifying a generic margin will set the same margin to all three for backward compatibility of third party themes
- At startup and every time an applet is added or moved, the total number of applets with fillWidth: true (which we'll call "separators" here) is counted
- All applets with fillWidth: true (the separators) get the separator-margin
- All applets where separatorsLeftOfThisApplet / totalSeparators < 0.5 get the left-margin
- All applets where separatorsLeftOfThisApplet / totalSeparators = 0.5 get the center-margin
- All applets where separatorsLeftOfThisApplet / totalSeparators < 0.5 get the right-margin
- (separatorsLeftOfThisApplet are the separators left of the applet in horizontal panels, and separators above the applet in vertical ones)
- A new enum costrainmenthints is added, a new property to appletinterface of the same name is added
- The task managers sets the costrainmenthints property to fillArea
- The task manager then sets taskmanager.svg normal-margin internally
- We make the panel 44 px with: 4px left-margin, 8px separator-margin, 8px center-margin, (or 4px?) 8px right-margin
- Make system tray adapt to panel size again, 2 rows where feasible
- We add 2 separators left and right of the tray
- We consider putting the concise date next to the time on horizontal panels (10:40 9 Jan)
- We consider using the vertical version of the clock in https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/merge_requests/222
Aug 22 2020
If we wanted to go with 32px TM icons by default, here's how it could be nicely and consistently handled:
I do have a touchscreen and the target is big enough to easily click. I think they do feel a bit small, but
a) It's not too small, and you can easily get used to it
b) it's weird that icons are this small. conventionally they should be 24px, but apparently iconSizes.smallMedium was decided to be 22px instead, and the svg contains an additional 2px margin meaning the actual icon is often 20px or even smaller. I think if all icons were 24px at least, the situation would be drastically better.
Actually, there's a third option I prefer. What about a smaller panel, so the icons are not felt "floating", but keeping 22px icons in the TM? See:
Aug 20 2020
People really liked Flow Light. My suggestion is to switch to Flow Dark for 5.20.
Aug 6 2020
We can make the plasma icon ignore margins.
Aug 5 2020
I have two proposals:
- a 44px panel with 22px widgets and 28px task manager
- a 44px panel with 22px widgets and 32px task manager (which would be consistent with applets who extend to panel margins, such as the pager)
After some discussion with Nate and Noah, these points were agreed upon:
- upstream latte separator
- add separator button
- separator left and right of the tray
- all widgets use 22px icons by default
- 44px panel
- systray stays 22px regardless of the panel size
- option to make systray bigger as well
Aug 3 2020
I think our goal is to provide a good balance of icon size consistency and panel aesthetic. The idea of making all icon of the same size is - I think - good, as long as those icons are not excessively big nor small, and I'm afraid that neither 32px nor 22px icon visually work on our default 46px panel when icons are all perfectly the same size. So we have to sacrifice a bit of consistency. With my idea (and, now, implementation) - that 100% looks like Manuel mockup - I think we get a good balance of both:
Regarding the technical implementation, I'd make Plasma able to selectively add margin or not for each widget separately; this way all widgets are supported. I wouldn't make the user able to toggle those in the UI yet, we could decide if it's appropriate to add that in the future based on user requests. Right now the plasmoid itself could decide whether to have margin (the default) or not. Task manager really *has* to ignore margin to extend to borders, but then the margins are added back through the task manager internal margins defined in the theme.
Aug 2 2020
The task manager ignores margin but we can make it apply internal ones as big as the panel ones, so the icon sizes should still be consistent; Manuel was proposing to downscale 64px app icons to a 22px space, which - considering 32px icon sizes - would be as big as the actual launcher icon:
So we would basically have consistency in the left side and right side, with the right side icons being slightly smaller; I think it's a good approach.
The Application Launcher applet icon is okay, it's just that it looks too small next to the task manager. Imagine having this small icon in Manuel's mockup:
It would be visually unbalanced; it makes more sense to use a 32px here, I guess
It was also suggested to make this setting user-facing (by hovering the widget in panel edit mode); I wouldn't do that yet because this is something very technical that the average user shouldn't want to change sizes, plus it could result in inconsistent sizing in the icons that we'd instead like to be consistent (minimize all, tray, clock, etc). This doesn't mean that we couldn't add it in the future if it turns out to be more necessary than we thought.
Jul 14 2020
Jun 24 2020
I don't know where to put this, so
I'd propose to keep the panel transparent but make the widget opaque. Here's how this would look with some different active applet designs:
The first and the last one are IMO prettier but technically very problematic to do, but he middle one should be fairly easy. +1/-1? Should I make a patch for it? Any alternative designs that don't require additional elements that link to the widget?
Jun 12 2020
Jun 1 2020
May 29 2020
May 25 2020
May 23 2020
Moved and finished (now works) here: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/17
May 22 2020
May 21 2020
whops, this created a diff, not a MR
Ping @davidedmundson ?
May 20 2020
I agree with a single KCM called wallpapers used to set all wallpaper in System Settings. Not a fan of having so many apply buttons, but I'm sure we can come up with something good.
I'm a bit confused. Aren't we changing the size for third party global themes as well? Do all global themes set their size?
May 19 2020
How do you think about putting it horizontally centered at the top of the screen? Maybe even avoiding panels, if possible?
I'd be fine both with "floating a bit under the panel" and "merged with screen/panel top" like krunner.
With the smaller appearance, I'm feeling a bit like it just floats there... for no reason... it gives me the impression than there's no visual connection with anything. It's a bit like it's in a random position, maybe because it's not vertically centered. Could be fine anyway, but I was wondering if there's another place where it would better fit. Maybe top left? Can it avoid panels?
May 18 2020
Can confirm. Also, I'd make the tap and hold indicator a bit smaller, maybe half of the size it currently has :-)
I want to see the indicator under my finger, at the current size I can almost see it (maybe my fingers are too thick)
May 16 2020
I'm a bit torn about this. It is indeed very nice, but at the same time I don't feel like it's the right solution. Ignoring minor complaints I'd have ("it's a very large button!") it doesn't feel right that the user, in order to change login wallpaper, would think that they have to right click on the desktop, click on edit desktop, click on "login and logout settings", and then change it. I think two other solutions that _might_ be better are:
- Decide that login and lockscreen wallpapers are part of the desktop as much as the desktop wallpaper (which doesn't make sense tech-wise, but it might make sense user-wise), rename "Wallpaper" to "Desktop Wallpaper" in the Desktop Settings KCM and embed directly there "Lockscreen Wallpaper" and "Login screen theme". This would mean
- Splitting the "Appearance" tab from the Screen Locking KCM to a new KCM called "Lockscreen Wallpaper" which would be in the customize desktop window, thus making the content of the Screen Locking KCM just the "activation tab", but adding a button "customize wallpaper..." which would open the "Lockscreen Wallpaper" KCM
- Doing the same with the "Login Screen" KCM, which would be split in "Login Screen Theme" KCM (shown in customize desktop) and "Login Screen" KCM (shown in SySe) only containing what now is in the "Advanced" tab, but with a "Customize theme..." at the top. OR - probably better - have only one "Login Screen" KCM which only shows the theme selector and is both on the "customize desktop" and current location in system settings, and add "Advanced" as a button that open up a new kirigami page rather than using tabs.
- All of which kinda feel ugly from a "let's categorize things based on how they work under the hood" point of view, but instead it could make sense from a "let's categorize things based on what the user expects" point of view.
- OR, show the desktop configuration KCM is system settings, and somehow create a category there for wallpapers?
- OR we just go with what you are proposing. I'm not against it, but I feel it's more of a "limiting damage" than a "let's fix the problem at the root"
Can confirm. Also, I'd make the tap and hold indicator a bit smaller, maybe half of the size it currently has :-)
May 14 2020
two fingers swipe gesture to left, right and up as shortcut to navigate back, forward and up
May 13 2020
Everything works for me, except two finger gestures
Should the icons increase by fixed value steps, or smoothly scale as the panel is resized?
May 12 2020
I'm not a great fan of button that will be - imo - hardly used by the average user in such a visible location. Also, it takes up some vertical space from the sidebar which isn't great.
+1 for the direction!
May 11 2020
What about a virtual sprint? Who's interested in joining in? It could be in late June / early July.
Are we really sure this is worth exposing to the user?
May 9 2020
For some reason, the heading is still one or two pixels off... still, much better than before
Generic +1 to the idea, but:
- I would not go higher than 50 as panel width
- The clock is too small, it probably needs a version where there's a new line between hour and minutes
- We should check that all widgets work correctly in a vertical panel
- Panel should stay in the same edge when screen is autorotated
May 7 2020
May 6 2020
VDG wise, this looks good and consistent.