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ngraham added a comment to T11665: Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls.

Please feel free to open it! Or I can, if you'd prefer not to.

Thu, Sep 19, 3:24 AM · Breeze, VDG
ngraham renamed T11665: Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls from Make adjacent musually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls to Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls.
Thu, Sep 19, 3:22 AM · Breeze, VDG
onvitaik added a comment to T11665: Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls.
In T11665#201377, @mglb wrote:

Adding border to all toolbar buttons will be super heavy in cases where there is more than a few buttons.
To do changes like this I think we should separate concept of classic toolbars (few toolbars, each with many buttons/controls) and modern "widgets row" (few controls visually aligned with window/content). Or just use QToolButtons with disabled autoRaise to get the border on them.

Yeah, I agree that this would be totally inappropriate for e.g. LibreOffice or FreeCAD with have huge toolbars stuffed to the gills with unlabeled toolbuttons (whether it's ever a good idea to do this in the first place is left for another discussion...). I was thinking about our apps, really.

Thu, Sep 19, 2:42 AM · Breeze, VDG
ndavis added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

EDIT: I have already said this here and there but please don't run any automated script to SVG icons, because when opening them back in Inkscape they are corrupted and everytime I edit a Breeze icon I have to do additional work to fix shapes and gradients corrupted by the scripts.

This is something you should bring up in the VDG chatroom and discuss with @ndavis in particular as we currently make heavy use of these scripts for optimization purposes. Hopefully we can come up with a solution together.

Thu, Sep 19, 1:26 AM · KDE Applications, VDG

Yesterday

ngraham added a comment to T11665: Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls.
In T11665#201377, @mglb wrote:

Adding border to all toolbar buttons will be super heavy in cases where there is more than a few buttons.
To do changes like this I think we should separate concept of classic toolbars (few toolbars, each with many buttons/controls) and modern "widgets row" (few controls visually aligned with window/content). Or just use QToolButtons with disabled autoRaise to get the border on them.

Wed, Sep 18, 9:56 PM · Breeze, VDG
mglb added a comment to T11665: Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls.

Adding border to all toolbar buttons will be super heavy in cases where there is more than a few buttons.
To do changes like this I think we should separate concept of classic toolbars (few toolbars, each with many buttons/controls) and modern "widgets row" (few controls visually aligned with window/content). Or just use QToolButtons with disabled autoRaise to get the border on them.

Wed, Sep 18, 9:44 PM · Breeze, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

I don't think glasses will ever look good at small sizes, can't we use something else for Okular? A clip? A highlighter?

Wed, Sep 18, 9:00 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

I don't think glasses will ever look good at small sizes, can't we use something else for Okular? A clip? A highlighter?

Wed, Sep 18, 8:22 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

That's not a bad icon, but again, I think we owe it to the app developers to be as true to the original icon as possible. That text-origami-bird icon is cool, but it has nothing to do with Kate's original icon. The HIG specifically recommends against this:

Wed, Sep 18, 8:04 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
cullmann added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Hmm, that looks more like a mail application ;=)
As Tyson is already working on something, but at the moment has not much time, I would tend to just keep Kate's icon as is and look at the final stuff Tyson provides first.
Otherwise I think that is a bit unfair.

Wed, Sep 18, 8:03 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Would something like this being enough for Kate i.e. an origami bird made of current icon paper?

Wed, Sep 18, 7:56 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
cullmann added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Yeah, an app's icon is a part of its branding. It should look distinctive, not generic. Ideally it communicates both its purpose ("I'm a text editor!") as well as its identity ("I'm Kate!"). I think the problem with some of these icons is that they only do the former, not the latter. I don't think there is a conflict here, though!

This seems like the crux of the issue to me, I don't think it's that much about the flat vs. skeuo debate.

Some icons listed here are distinguishable, still do a decent job in terms of branding, and would maybe only benefit from a little tweaking (e.g. Gwenview). But others such as the Okular, Konsole, Kate, KWrite, Yakuake, and the previous version of the Kolf icon look somewhat generic to me.

Wed, Sep 18, 7:05 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
cullmann added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Here there is an example of brand artwork using that diagonal shape for Konsole:

Edit: to be honest I think this is both distinctive and descriptive:

Wed, Sep 18, 7:04 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
filipf added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Yeah, an app's icon is a part of its branding. It should look distinctive, not generic. Ideally it communicates both its purpose ("I'm a text editor!") as well as its identity ("I'm Kate!"). I think the problem with some of these icons is that they only do the former, not the latter. I don't think there is a conflict here, though!

Wed, Sep 18, 6:59 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Here there is an example of brand artwork using that diagonal shape for Konsole:

Wed, Sep 18, 6:07 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

What do you think about this kind of icon? This one is for Discover: the puzzle pieces indicate apps and other addons, the triangles the packages that ship the apps and the ">" shape looks like Plasma logo.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:50 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Maybe look forward for this then for Plasma 6?

Wed, Sep 18, 5:37 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
starbuck updated subscribers of T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

I'd agree that flatness taken too far becomes unattractive/dull also for me
personally. When comparing Breeze and latest Iphone icons though, I think
our set looks awesomeness, it is so good that i have yet to find something
else that i would stick to and not go back to Breeze after relative short
time, elemantary included. Since its all subjective, I am not sure if
changing some of Breeze would make things better, but leave everyone
unsatisfied in the end, as current Gwenview, K3B fit imho so good with the
rest that starting to change them would rather require a new style
altogether than mixing or going halfway back to something Oxygen-like?
Maybe look forward for this then for Plasma 6?

Wed, Sep 18, 5:35 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
kossebau added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

cold, barren, and excessively harsh and masculine. But you also don't go overboard on ornamentation or else it feels smothering, claustrophobic, and excessively feminine.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:34 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

@ngraham I don't know about macOS, but ElementaryOS icons look so good because they are designed for each size and I don't think we have the manpower to do that to Breeze icons.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:30 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

EDIT: I have already said this here and there but please don't run any automated script to SVG icons, because when opening them back in Inkscape they are corrupted and everytime I edit a Breeze icon I have to do additional work to fix shapes and gradients corrupted by the scripts.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:24 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

@ngraham I don't know about macOS, but ElementaryOS icons look so good because they are designed for each size and I don't think we have the manpower to do that to Breeze icons.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:24 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

I have a problem with extreme minimalism in same the way that I have a problem with extreme ornamentation. I don't like either one, when taken too far. The problem with doing this is that it irritates people who really dislike that style, and they push you to go in the opposite direction, and then the people who dislike that style object and push you back, and so on forever.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:16 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

@ngraham I think you have a problem with minimalism :) original Breeze icon for Gwenview, Kate and KWrite were even worse than the current ones by me, in fact I already tried to go back to some Oxygen style.

Wed, Sep 18, 4:48 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

The problem I have with Gwenview's icon is that it just feels inferior to the Oxygen one.

Wed, Sep 18, 2:44 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
mmustac updated the task description for T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.
Wed, Sep 18, 2:32 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Just to be clear, is Gwenview icon enough descriptive and distinctive at the same time?

Wed, Sep 18, 2:10 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Yeah, an app's icon is a part of its branding. It should look distinctive, not generic. Ideally it communicates both its purpose ("I'm a text editor!") as well as its identity ("I'm Kate!"). I think the problem with some of these icons is that they on;y do the former, not the latter.

Wed, Sep 18, 2:01 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Actually, that is exactly what I want to have: an arbitrary logo that is distinguishable.
It does Kate a big disservice that we have no icon like Atom/Sublime/Vim/...
A generic "text" icon is nice for a mime-type.
Users will easily detect where to start Atom, but not where to start Kate, as it could just be any other "editor".

Wed, Sep 18, 2:00 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
kossebau added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Sounds like there should be some additional "Generic icon" entry in the app/desktopfile metadata, so people can decide whether they want to see brand-based icons or function-based icons, like there is with "Name" & "Generic Name".

Wed, Sep 18, 1:59 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
cullmann added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Actually, that is exactly what I want to have: an arbitrary logo that is distinguishable.
It does Kate a big disservice that we have no icon like Atom/Sublime/Vim/...
A generic "text" icon is nice for a mime-type.
Users will easily detect where to start Atom, but not where to start Kate, as it could just be any other "editor".

Wed, Sep 18, 1:50 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Hey there, Gwenview, Kate and Kwrite icons are by me.

Wed, Sep 18, 1:44 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T11665: Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls.

The last one is subtle, but I think it manages to not stray too far from the "borderless and flat" look of the toolbars, while still making the buttons look grouped. But the other two are much more visually clear and consistent.

Wed, Sep 18, 1:26 PM · Breeze, VDG
starbuck added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Personally I find the Breeze icons dope, especially Kontact, Yakuake, K3b and Ark.

Wed, Sep 18, 11:40 AM · KDE Applications, VDG
mmustac added a comment to T11665: Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls.

I really like the first approach even more if we could make it a little bit more like GNOME:


When T10201 is finished we could maybe also change the color of the toolbar buttons so that they would stand out more?

Wed, Sep 18, 5:50 AM · Breeze, VDG
onvitaik added a comment to T11665: Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls.

I'm afraid it might look out of place either way, though, as the other buttons have neither frames nor different background colors.

That's the whole point. :) Segmented controls should look different, because they are different. Different things should look different.

Wed, Sep 18, 1:48 AM · Breeze, VDG

Tue, Sep 17

ndavis updated the task description for T11713: Reorganize colorscheme colors and use them in a logical manner.
Tue, Sep 17, 7:33 PM · Plasma, Consistency, VDG, Breeze
ndavis added a project to T11713: Reorganize colorscheme colors and use them in a logical manner: Plasma.
Tue, Sep 17, 7:32 PM · Plasma, Consistency, VDG, Breeze
ndavis moved T11713: Reorganize colorscheme colors and use them in a logical manner from Reported to Apps Implementation on the Consistency board.
Tue, Sep 17, 7:22 PM · Plasma, Consistency, VDG, Breeze
ndavis triaged T11713: Reorganize colorscheme colors and use them in a logical manner as Normal priority.
Tue, Sep 17, 7:22 PM · Plasma, Consistency, VDG, Breeze
ngraham added a comment to T11665: Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls.

I'm afraid it might look out of place either way, though, as the other buttons have neither frames nor different background colors.

Tue, Sep 17, 3:48 PM · Breeze, VDG
ognarb added projects to T11679: Create a designed version of kde.org/applications : Websites, VDG.
Tue, Sep 17, 3:27 PM · VDG, Websites, Goal: All About the Apps
onvitaik added a comment to T11665: Make adjacent mutually exclusive ToolButtons look like segmented controls.

Personally, I prefer the different background instead of frame. I'm afraid it might look out of place either way, though, as the other buttons have neither frames nor different background colors.

Tue, Sep 17, 3:10 PM · Breeze, VDG

Mon, Sep 16

ngraham closed D23984: Redesign intro page.
Mon, Sep 16, 6:16 PM · VDG, Plasma
ngraham retitled D23984: Redesign intro page from [System Settings] redesign intro page to Redesign intro page.
Mon, Sep 16, 6:15 PM · VDG, Plasma
ngraham accepted D23984: Redesign intro page.
Mon, Sep 16, 6:15 PM · VDG, Plasma
tienisto updated the diff for D23984: Redesign intro page.

use Kirigami units for vertical margin

Mon, Sep 16, 6:14 PM · VDG, Plasma
ngraham added inline comments to D23984: Redesign intro page.
Mon, Sep 16, 6:12 PM · VDG, Plasma
tienisto updated the diff for D23984: Redesign intro page.

change "Frequently used:" to "Frequently Used"

Mon, Sep 16, 6:02 PM · VDG, Plasma
GB_2 added inline comments to D23984: Redesign intro page.
Mon, Sep 16, 5:59 PM · VDG, Plasma