FWIW, Ubuntu MATE (and it looks like Ubuntu Kylin) includes exfat-fuse (from fuse-exfat) and exfat-utils.

I think this is a good idea overall but I would like to point out that by switching to Calamares the minimal install option would be lost. I think a lot of people are fans of that feature so if it can be reimplemented in Calamares prior to official switch I think that would be a good idea.

@tsimonq2 is going to document, based on lubuntu's switch, what we would need to do. Once we have that then we can make an informed assessment on whether this can be targeted for 19.04.

With the change in title, +1.

I'm in favor as well :)

I'm in favor, though I'm afraid I won't be of much help technically with the conversion process.

So, we didn't move to Cala for Cosmic. Shall we do so for Disco? I think now is the time to discuss and decide. @rikmill, @tsimonq2 @ngraham What say you?

Thank you very much for the feedbacks, packages are being copied to the regular backports PPA right now.

2 laptops and a desktop tested with fw 5.52. All working as expected. Nice job, greatly appreciated.

IrcsomeBot <DarinMiller> 2 machines tested tested here.... fw 5.52 working well. Testing a 3rd box shortly... 00:21

Can easily make a test exfat volume to mount in virtualbox, so should be simple to test. Similar code to install samba via packagekit exists in kdenetwork-filesharing source, so this should be possible.

In T9965#165914, @ngraham wrote:

In T9965#165913, @michaeltunnell wrote:

If not, then another option could be to make the warning message in Dolphin not so absurdly technical and instead explain what packages need to be installed for it to work.

That's something we should do anyway. Can you file a bug on bugs.kde.org and preferably attach a screenshot depicting the current error message? I'm semi-familiar with the code in question and may be able to offer up a quick fix.

In T9965#165913, @michaeltunnell wrote:

If not, then another option could be to make the warning message in Dolphin not so absurdly technical and instead explain what packages need to be installed for it to work.

Due to Microsoft joining the OIN it might be possible for exfat support to be included in a future release. Once Canonical Legal addresses this then I think it would be good to add.

Ok. Could be doable. My initial comment stands though. I would want a legal OK from higher up.

$ seeded-in-ubuntu fuse-exfat
fuse-exfat's binaries are not seeded.

Bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exfat-utils/+bug/1649537 links to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/mtl/exfat-licensing.aspx which explicitly states:

Doubt we can do this unless this can be shown to be wrong AND it gets ok'd by Ubuntu/Canonical legally.

FWIW: If that's the case, then the task should be maybe re-titled to one of:

Hmm, maybe it's just the network-manager-openvpn package, and network-manager-openvpn-gnome happens to work because it pulls that package in as a required dependency.

Not sure I 100% believe this, as:

• That package only contains the gnome config GUI and auth dialog.
• On Kubuntu support/IRC recently, a couple of people successfully set up openvpn with just the network-manager-openvpn package (the gnome one installs this as a dep)

Will have to investigate properly...

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/1.379

@rikmills can you ping cypber I think is his IRC handle to merge it?

Reminder. Final freeze on Thursday.

If it's not too late, change "made" to "make" (past to present tense):

Done and MR sent:

One more correction is needed:

Let's put some more fire into this thread. We just had the Beta so we are getting close to the point where we may not be able to make any changes.

Made the changes. Going to see if I can push it and get it merged.

Rik's list is great! Palapelli is pretty cool too. Single player puzzles. Adding a few games would be excellent. I play klondike from kpat multiple times per week.

Anything you can trim away? IIRC, Kubuntu ships with a full boat of System and Utility apps, which a lot of users might not need. I don't know how much space you can shave away with small apps like that - just thinking out loud.

In T9128#161276, @ngraham wrote:

+1 for Krita only if size is a concern. It's pretty big these days.

+1 for Krita only if size is a concern. It's pretty big these days.

Ok. If we do this, I would suggest:

I'd vote for Krita over all the others. It's a fantastic piece of software, on par with Photoshop and arguably outdoes GIMP.

I vote for KPatience and KMahjong. They're two very good-looking games, proving that Linux games aren't pixellated messes from the 1980s. Plus, they're sort-of "classics", included in a lot of distros and even competing OSes like iOS and Windows. It would give Kubuntu a well-rounded feeling as a complete and user-friendly distro.

These are not the smallest of apps in terms of adding to our iso size. Not sure I am convinced.

Any conclusions?

It works! Seemingly no regressions. :-)

Landed in -release. Please test.

Awesome. Since we're in a cherry-picking mood, let me pre-warn you that if we get good results during the 5.14 beta, I'd like to consider cherry-picking https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-desktop.git/commit/?id=a4c724173b5c6a59331587f2e5db746dffbabdc6 too, or else we're going to get a lot of user anger over it in Cosmic.

Should build and reach release pocket in a few hrs, as p-d has no tests.

I was already considering this patch, after I noticed it had been merged into the 5.13 branch but would not get released in 5.13 as there are no more bugfix releases.

If we leave it for 19.04, hopefully things will Just Work™ since Global Menu support was still a tech demo in Plasma 5.13.

We are in feature freeze and approaching beta freeze, so this needs looked at soon or left for next release.

Is it too late to turn these on for 18.10? It would require some testing, I presume.

At the moment it's just a proposal/idea. I'll be testing this out on Cosmic once I get a test rig set up. Then I can provide a definitive package list. Of course, folks already using Cosmic can feel free to try following the above instructions , and then see if the global menu works if they add a Global Menu plasmoid somewhere.

You're welcome?

Thank you, Nate.

In T8693#157898, @raddison wrote:

Do you plan to share the answer with us?

Sure.

Then please share it.

Do you plan to share the answer with us?

Do you plan to share the answer with us?

In T8693#157894, @ngraham wrote:

Why don't you ask them?

Why don't you ask them?

@valorie Neon does not have apport. They say apport is undesirable. Do you have any idea why?

@valorie Cool! Thank you.

In T8693#157382, @valorie wrote:

In T8693#157223, @raddison wrote:

You also tend to formulate your words in an accusatory and inflammatory way that puts people on the defensive.

I intend no harm. Lower your shields :)

Then please stop accusing.

Another actionable path: purge all of Ubuntu's crash handlers from the iso. If users want them, they can apt install them. KDE strives for privacy software. Shouldn't Kubuntu as well?

As the release manager, I will not agree to this. Flawed apport might be, but it is *not* snoopware. In fact, I very much wish that Dr. Konqui would be expanded to allow kde-bug packagename as apport facilitates via ubuntu-bug packagename. This is entirely under the control of the user and make quality bug reporting easy.

Filing issues like this on phab without otherwise interacting with the Kubuntu team is counter-productive. We very much want increased interaction with our upstream KDE, which is why we have our Phab instance here. At least assign the issue to someone so that we can dialog. Just filing an issue without any interaction is like shouting into an empty room. Frustrating and exhausting for no purpose.

I just wanted to mention here that I recently installed Manjaro on a laptop, and they included TLP by default. Out of the box I was getting battery usage on-par with Windows, very impressive. No USB/Bluetooth or other issues so far seen.

I just wanted to mention this still works fine for me and resolves numerous icon scaling issues.

In T8381#157221, @raddison wrote:

I have translated the Neon slideshow so I'm pretty sure the text is not incorporated into images. Anyway, making the text translatable is a necessity IMO. Non-English users will not be impressed by a partially translated installer.

Oh! Okay. I stand corrected. It is astonishing how elegant a slideshow can be with just a few well-chosen images and just a bit of text. The installer should probably not be a user manual.

This sounds exciting. Where are we on this? Should we discuss on Kubuntu-devel?

Added to the download page: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/

Must test as 5.13 is through.....