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Tue, Feb 20

argonel added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Tue, Feb 20, 10:22 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
argonel added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

I wrote these comments on October 23rd, but they got stuck in a draft. I can't seem to delete them. A couple are still relevant though.

Tue, Feb 20, 10:04 PM · KDE Developers, VDG

Mon, Feb 19

progwolff added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

@abetts The font itself has already a preview in the font chooser. This is okay for me. What I meant to have a preview for what elements the font is used for. For example it is a little unclear what "small fonts" is used for unless you apply the settings and try it out.
But I'm not sure how a preview for this would look like either.

Mon, Feb 19, 4:03 PM · KDE Developers, VDG

Thu, Feb 15

abetts added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

I like those suggestions. I would probably not move the previous, however, since they are already loaded in a different screen. But maybe, what would be helpful is to use a menu that showcases the font in some way. For example, like this:

Thu, Feb 15, 3:27 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
progwolff added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Thu, Feb 15, 12:31 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
davidedmundson added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

FYI, I was going to take on the clock for the next release. I've got some questions

Thu, Feb 15, 1:22 AM · KDE Developers, VDG

Wed, Feb 14

ngraham added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Wed, Feb 14, 8:29 PM · KDE Developers, VDG

Thu, Feb 8

davidedmundson added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Thu, Feb 8, 10:45 AM · KDE Developers, VDG

Thu, Feb 1

ngraham added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

Agreed. These aren't needed systemwide.

Thu, Feb 1, 6:09 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
andreaska added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

The kcms are included in KIO but from my point of view they can be dropped

Thu, Feb 1, 6:37 AM · KDE Developers, VDG
mmustac added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

I am kind of wondering if KDE needs to include the following KCMs at all:
T7302: Connection Prefs
T7303: SSL Prefs
T7304: Cache
T7305: Cookies
T7306: Browser Identification

Thu, Feb 1, 6:23 AM · KDE Developers, VDG

Jan 22 2018

IlyaBizyaev added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

I see your point, I am just afraid of the opposite effect: the general structure of current settings has even more mobile in mind that the proposed one. And as there currently is not much development on that side, I am trying to not let it slip out of the way completely, as this year could well be our last chance to jump into mobile.

Jan 22 2018, 3:40 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
abetts added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

I highly doubt that we will turn this work into a mobile app in the same way. We are not close to that discussion yet. Empty space works best in desktop. It allows people to focus. To cram every corner of the interface with a lot of data is also very challenging for finding your way. I can definitively review the margins. As of right now, we don't have a lot of work going into this project so I prefer to address this question once there is more development into it.

Jan 22 2018, 3:27 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
IlyaBizyaev added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

The mockups are nice, although there is a part I do not particularly like: all of them have a lot of empty areas, which means they are planned for big screens. By just scaling the pictures so that fonts had normal size, I get a window higher than my 15'' 16:9 laptop! :)
Also, I am concerned about those designs on mobile... Is the spacing supposed to scale? How would the 2-level drawer look on a phone? Could you picture those?

Jan 22 2018, 12:18 PM · KDE Developers, VDG

Nov 22 2017

abetts added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

Could you maybe add a rough mockup of this suggestion? Just for more clarity. Also, we discussed some time ago that it would be ok for the "install" from file to be in Discover and that GHNS would "also" be in discover. What do you think? Should we do that or keep "install from file" in the same window where the themes are?

Nov 22 2017, 6:25 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
andreaska added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

Love it.

Nov 22 2017, 6:20 PM · KDE Developers, VDG

Nov 3 2017

mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

as part of the work of other kcms which have a form layout, a layout component in kirigami which would be used for it https://phabricator.kde.org/D8641

Nov 3 2017, 3:20 PM · KDE Developers, VDG

Nov 1 2017

abetts added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

Ok, the second stage of this redesign might be a little easier, it is aligning labels, shrinking comboboxes, and others to the center. Putting labels or "titles" on the 1st third of the space while the rest of the elements are on the 2/3 to the right. I will add a mockup to explain this.

Nov 1 2017, 4:21 PM · KDE Developers, VDG

Oct 31 2017

abetts added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

let's do it!

Oct 31 2017, 8:08 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

ok, so let's make it final the "pure grid" one wit the version of the flexible spaces around the grid view.
we can then start with a mixed one and see how it works there

Oct 31 2017, 8:01 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
abetts added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

Thank you for your comments. @mart I have some mockups where this is the case and there is a mix of edge to edge content with other controls. I didn't think it looked bad honestly but feels a bit out of place. I can post something on it later tonight.

Oct 31 2017, 5:03 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
ngraham added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

I have to say I'm not a huge fan of the screenshots posted at the top of the thread--the proposed total visual redesign. It seems like we would be throwing out a lot of work and all the embedded lessons learned and bugfixes accumulated over the years, and it looks like... well... it looks like Windows 10. :-( This modern depth-less totally flat interface trend is really not well suited for the desktop IMHO. It will look "stale" in a few years and we will be yet again on the treadmill of visual redesigns. My vote is for incremental improvement on what we've already got, which is really nice and has a timeless quality to it, like it's got more immunity to the UI fashions of the day.

Oct 31 2017, 4:19 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

well, there are two mutually exclusive designs at the moment which are being moved forward which should be chosen from, basically the last couple of screenshots and like last januz comment.
personally, i think my latest screenshot is the "easiest" to implement, but the other option (which i still don't know how to solve a bunch of problems) looks more modern

Oct 31 2017, 4:09 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
ngraham added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

That's really nice, @mart.

Oct 31 2017, 4:06 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
abetts added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

I love it! Shall we move to the next phase?

Oct 31 2017, 3:55 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

actual implementation of the proposal with flexible lateral space

Oct 31 2017, 3:46 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
januz updated subscribers of M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

The grid with margins is the best IMO. It's the best use of screen space (and it looks better than the others) . I totally agree with the frame-in-frame problem (I wish dolphin looked more like your mockup!), but I think that adding too many lines can also end up adding visual noise.

Oct 31 2017, 1:07 AM · KDE Developers, VDG

Oct 30 2017

mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

here an example of the view resized in two possible size, one which the thumbnail size matches exactly the available space for the number of columns, and another one that doesn't
margins of the white area always stay fixed, those around are flexible.

Oct 30 2017, 4:33 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

hmm, my attention is pretty much taken by the gap there and the step the two rows of buttons do...
perhaps if the row of buttons is still aligned with the others it would look better...
and if the margin around the view is not fixed, but whatever to make the white edges in the view fixed, it could have its why...

Oct 30 2017, 4:16 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
romangg added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

The Dolphin mockup looks good. But the KCM one looks somewhat confusing. Elements belonging to each other are not visually related anymore (the list view and the rest of the KCM). Maybe it's just because of the sidebar being white as well. But there is also the problem that not all KCMs have a list view, and then their design would differ greatly from the ones with a list view.

Oct 30 2017, 3:30 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

so, to explain the idea i had to reduce visual noise and the " frame in frame" effect, i did a quick and dirty edit in gimp of the window:


Oct 30 2017, 1:17 PM · KDE Developers, VDG

Oct 27 2017

leinir added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Oct 27 2017, 4:51 PM · KDE Developers, VDG

Oct 26 2017

mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

latest version of a grid based one

Oct 26 2017, 4:22 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Oct 26 2017, 3:35 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
abetts added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

So for my own understanding I'm wrapping up (correct me if I'm wrong):

  1. Normally list views have a background (which is FCFCFC without any transparency or soft shadows at the borders as in the mockups) in Breeze.
  2. Current qqc scrollview though doesn't have this.
  3. So the question is if we should just ignore this background in qqc scrollviews or if there needs to be a version of scrollview with background so that it is like in the mockups and not different from other components.
Oct 26 2017, 2:21 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
abetts updated images of M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Oct 26 2017, 2:58 AM · KDE Developers, VDG
abetts updated images of M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Oct 26 2017, 2:54 AM · KDE Developers, VDG
abetts added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Oct 26 2017, 2:45 AM · KDE Developers, VDG
januz added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

Here's a mockup I made based on @mart 's:

Oct 26 2017, 1:30 AM · KDE Developers, VDG

Oct 25 2017

mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

Are we opposed to using toggles like these? I have hear diverging opinions.

as far i remember the decision back in the day was to use those only on mobile, no idea if the idea may be reexamined now

Oct 25 2017, 2:54 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
abetts added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

any idea how to implement the mouse cursor selection size?

Oct 25 2017, 2:20 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

current status:

Oct 25 2017, 1:03 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

i was thinking about an icon, then clicking on it opens a small overlay popup with the choices, which is not super pretty, but ok

Oct 25 2017, 8:09 AM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

any idea how to implement the mouse cursor selection size?

Oct 25 2017, 8:08 AM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

I'll add a small shadow, hopefully will be easy to dynamically disable it when running on the software renderer

Oct 25 2017, 8:04 AM · KDE Developers, VDG
abetts added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

blur: another thing i would like to avoid if possible, as we need all this stuff to work correctly if possible also on very low-end hardware where we should render in software mode

Oct 25 2017, 3:35 AM · KDE Developers, VDG

Oct 24 2017

romangg added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Oct 24 2017, 5:26 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
abetts added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

I hope it wasn't too difficult and I am already seeing an easier interaction with the themes. Even at this early stage.

Oct 24 2017, 4:39 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added a comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.

early version of the cursor kcm

Oct 24 2017, 4:34 PM · KDE Developers, VDG
mart added an inline comment to M112: System Settings Alpha Graphic Redesign.
Oct 24 2017, 3:29 PM · KDE Developers, VDG