After this year's Akademy I got motivation once more to work on this. I'll try to do a test Pootle server and keep track of the task here: https://phabricator.kde.org/T3650

kubuntu-settings (1:18.04ubuntu12) cosmic; urgency=medium

• Remove our custom default kwinrc so new installations and newly created users have 'present windows' effect hot corner in top left once more.

Closing per Rick above.

Should this be closed?

Do your other rewrites in another task, please. Let's leave this task for this specific string, and not clutter it unnecessarily.

Indeed, we need the text to remain text, rather than be being embedded into images. Not only would that break the translation workflow, it would make changing anything (including translations) an order of magnitude harder.

In T8381#153813, @raddison wrote:

@ngraham Would you favor an all-image slide show, where text is incorporated into images (kinda like what Neon does)?

it must be frustrating for you too since you don't manage to get anything done.

Absolutely.

Surely there are more fun or productive things you could be doing with your time.

Correct.

No, I truly do not know what you mean. Apport is just a simple crash reporter tool. It discloses everything it will submit. It doesn't send any user data anywhere without the user's explicit consent. It's also disabled on LTS releases already. I'm not sure what problem you're trying to solve.

Lol, Nate, you know what I mean. I had to formulate it somehow :)

And I'd like to know what makes you call apport "snoopware". :)

In T8693#153830, @ngraham wrote:

What snoopware?

@oysteins Let us collaborate. Please post the text from all instances right here and I'll try to re-write it in English.

What snoopware?

Actionable path: purge all snoopware out of Kubuntu.

In T8381#153814, @mparillo wrote:

Would that make translations more difficult? That is, instead of merely substituting text, images need to be re-created?

Would that make translations more difficult? That is, instead of merely substituting text, images need to be re-created?

@ngraham Would you favor an all-image slide show, where text is incorporated into images (kinda like what Neon does)?

In T9303#153597, @oysteins wrote:

Raddison, please read the description again, and you'll see that I proposed to fix the full stop. And while I agree that other texts could benefit from polish, may I suggest that you submit that in a new task; this one is merely about these two sentences.

Raddison, please read the description again, and you'll see that I proposed to fix the full stop. And while I agree that other texts could benefit from polish, may I suggest that you submit that in a new task; this one is merely about these two sentences.

No space after full stop. Signing out :(

I'll look into it as soon as I get a moment.

It should all be re-written from scratch. It's way too verbose and contentwize meaningless. 16.04 actually makes some sense but 18.04 is awful. No offence intended but that's the obvious truth.

Let's try to define what we^W I are trying to define:

Steam, Discord, Spotify, many Email Clients, many torrent clients, VPN clients, Twitter Clients, and many more close to the system tray as a default function.

That wasn't my intention in the slightest but I'll still take your advice.

It should have been obvious as soon as the defaults were changed. That way upstream could have been engaged earlier or the altering couldn't have been delayed. It was an unfortunate happening. All I'm saying is that maybe we can learn something from it. Lol, I'm not blaming anyone. It was OUR failure.

You stated it in a rude and insulting manner, and you suggested that Kubuntu contributors may have hidden impure motivations. That's unacceptable behavior.

Oh, c'mon! Let's not blow it out of proportions. I just stated my opinion.

Nobody knew about the upstream bug until we were actually using the new setting. That's how bugs get found.

It was a upstream bug indeed. Which should have been sorted out before and not after altering the defaults. So the order was all wrong.

It's an upstream bug, and it would have to be fixed there anyway. In fact, the fact that Slight RGB font hinting is not the default setting upstream is itself a bug, so once upstream fixed that bug, Kubuntu would have experienced the issue in question anyway regardless of whether or not we made this change ourselves.

A good example of why you should be cautious when changing upstream settings.

I trust that whatever you choose, it'll work for anyone *who knows* how the desktop works so +1 from me. Still, this task lacks any logical or methodological framework.

On the subject of Kickoff vs Kicker, it goes far beyond the (legitimate and important) desire to be friendly to new users and not-very-technically-proficient users. Rather, Kickoff suffers significant usability problems and productivity reducers for expert users like us, too. The most prominent of them is the agonizingly slow Applications tab, which has no "All Apps" view and requires a large amount of precision mousing to navigate between the categories.

That's not constructive, @raddison. If divergence from upstream defaults is inappropriate, then we wouldn't really have distros at all. We're all trying to make Kubuntu better. If you'd rather argue than do that, you're welcome to go do it somewhere else. If you'd like to stick around, please avoid impugning other people's motivations and using charged language ("just a a front-end for propaganda"). Thanks.

Whatever you like, but I can't shake the feeling that you're pushing your own agenda, instead of the wider community's. You're also implying that the user base is not very smart. I don't know who on earth coined this "new user" concept that is void of any real significance and it's just a a front-end for propaganda. The user is expected to learn how the desktop works and all these deviations from upstream defaults are not very smart. This is not addressed to anyone in particular. Changing some defaults won't make Kubuntu any better.

I think it would also be beneficial for Kubuntu to consult KDE's policies on data collection and telemetry. https://community.kde.org/Policies/Telemetry_Policy and find out whether Kubuntu is compliant with those.

Any news?

:)

Your choice, and if we do, then fractional-scale-factor-hi-dpi users of Kate and KDevelop on Bionic will be happy!

Well, if the commit works, I don't see any reason why we can't cherry-pick it.

It is a problem for 5.9 (confirmed), but I thought it best not to unnecessarily mess with the LTS release.

KCI and other experimental PPAs is the only place we had 5.10, and then only as then only as the 5.11 debian packaging for 5.11 did not exist at the time. All that can update to 5.11 when it's ready.

we should consider cherry-picking the fix into our Qt 5.10 and 5.11 branches

You don't have to ask the majority to determine a good default. That's the job of a good UX designer, using the skill of empathy.

The whole point of good defaults is that they should work well for the majority of people and use cases without needing to be changed.

"You can change it!" is not a helpful comment in a discussion about defaults. The whole point of good defaults is that they should work well for the majority of people and use cases without needing to be changed.

VLC is a Qt 5 app, which is great. We should get in touch with the devs and propose them to package it with breeze icons. https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=145054

Since one can customize his/her setup, your proposal doesn't bother me at all. Different people are likely to favor one setup over the other.

I don't think in practice it would be a problem to have the hotcorner separated from the Desktop Toolbox button. I wouldn't be in favor of moving the Desktop Toolbox patch to the left again because it's always supposed to have been be on the right with RTL keyboard layouts. Only a bug was preventing this, which has since been fixed upstream; when we revert our patch for the 5.13 timeframe, the Desktop Toolbox will remain on the right.

Thanks! Now we investigate the issue and try to find a fix. :)

Rik is right. The best possible scenario has been chosen.

'Often' is probably an exaggeration, since the recent reddit comment is the 1st time I can recall anyone complaining.

Thank you, Nathan. It should be fixed asap.

:)

Yeah, I had to create a new account to get it to happen. If this happens in Neon too, it's not Kubuntu-specific, so let's track the upstream bug report instead. Thanks everyone!

If I kill and restart plasmashell the behavior stops happening.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396247 :(

In T8604#149845, @oysteins wrote:

In T8604#149841, @ngraham wrote:

This was fixed upstream with https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-workspace.git/commit/?id=ee48796ec5561f540ed8b328a302e44b4364a234

FWIW I *can* reproduce this on Neon with Plasma 5.13.2, which should already have the fix you linked to. But I had to create a *new* Activity to trigger the bug (was not triggered in existing Activities).

In T8604#149841, @ngraham wrote:

This was fixed upstream with https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-workspace.git/commit/?id=ee48796ec5561f540ed8b328a302e44b4364a234

This was fixed upstream with https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-workspace.git/commit/?id=ee48796ec5561f540ed8b328a302e44b4364a234

Actually, cannot reproduce in Neon.

May I offer for consideration kblocks?