Hi,

Would be great to source these numbers a little bit more accurately.

77% percent of academic leaders rated the learning outcomes in online education same or superior to those in face-to-face instruction. – Babson
E-learning increases retention rates by 25% to 60%. – Shiftelearning.com
Almost 70% of students believe that online learning is as good as or better than classroom learning. – Potomac.edu
26% of online students report learning better from E-Learning than a traditional classroom setup. – Potomac.edu
65% of faculty worldwide support the use of open educational resources in teaching. – Potomac.edu
E-Learning participants learn nearly fifty times more material without increasing the time spent. – Shiftelearning.com

We need to be very careful when reading these numbers. They will vary dramatically from pupils to pupils, from students to students, from situation to situation.
I think that using computing as a tool to train or to evaluate is a big advantage but I am very curious to what they call online learning here. I believe that nothing can replace a real teacher who can understand which part of a concept is not understood, who is there to motivate, to react giving less or more work according to what is expected.

We should also be careful when people who are selling e-learning solutions give numbers like "E-Learning participants learn nearly fifty times more material without increasing the time spent".
Would be good for my youngest pupils (2.5 to 3) who take 6 months to learn the concept of 1 2 3. I would go on vacation after 3 days of work ;)
The other source Babson is also a bit concerning as they teach "Entrepreneurial Thought & Action®". A bit far from GCompris open source way of thinking? ;)

I would love to read their research paper thought :)

I love the sentence "Do not trust statistics that you have not done yourself ;)"

We will remove e-learning facts and just focus on general facts in that case @echarruau
Can we use facts for puzzles, chess, music etc.?

Sure! With two remarks thought.

Science

95% science education is done outside a formal environment - J.F. Falk & L.D.Dierking

Here I am sure they want to say that you can not understand for example "Forces" in mecanics if you never used a wheelbarrow.
But for me the formal environment must be there to "name" the concept and structure it with proper vocabulary.

Music

Music ignites all areas of child development and skills for school readiness, including intellectual, social-emotional, motor, language, and overall literacy. – Brighthorizons.com

On GCompris we just have theory training. Music in the sens of the sentence is the one you play with your friend or within an orchester. GCompris here will be a tool to train some skills.

@echarruau We can remove these facts too and I will make sure to add facts closely relevant to the GCompris application :)

Personally I would see GCompris as a companion, not a magic pedagogical tool.
An application for kids to discover or enhance own knowledges AND for parents and teachers to illustrate and provide drills exercises from knowledges they explained themself.
I do not know exactly how to phrase that but this is how I see it.

In T13734#242333, @echarruau wrote:

On GCompris we just have theory training. Music in the sens of the sentence is the one you play with your friend or within an orchester. GCompris here will be a tool to train some skills.

We also have piano composition, which is more than theory training as it's a musical creation tool.

@Timothée: True. So we can put back the music point.

I will be adding more facts tomorrow. Then we can go through the ones we should remove.

I have tried adding maximum facts that we can use for promoting GCompris. We can eliminate all irrelevant facts. I will share the sample posts once facts are finalized.

I have diffculties to see GCompris as a video game. For me video game is more like call of duty or animal crossing, where no doubt about it it will develop sens of orientation for the first one and social interaction for the second.
GCompris does not play in the same league, the activities we propose do not require quick response to stimuli. I am not sure the studies speaking about video games can be used for GCompris.

I will remove those facts @echarruau. Any other irrelevant facts?

In T13734#242572, @echarruau wrote:

I have diffculties to see GCompris as a video game. For me video game is more like call of duty or animal crossing, where no doubt about it it will develop sens of orientation for the first one and social interaction for the second.
GCompris does not play in the same league, the activities we propose do not require quick response to stimuli. I am not sure the studies speaking about video games can be used for GCompris.

GCompris contains plenty of games. Obviously not CoD-style games, but games nonetheless.

pasting the discussion in the matrix chat:

maybe we can omit the words "video game" and instead talk about "learning by playing"

I have updated the facts based on the suggestions.

I'm not really sure about using quotes and facts for social media posts.

For example in the chess sample post, it doesn't show that is the relation between GCompris and Chess making kids smarter. I would suggest instead to explain that GCompris is a tool to learn chess. For example, using "Teach your kids chess in a fun way with GCompris." and adding "Chess is one of the 100 activities available in GCompris. Discover them all at <link to website>" as addition text in the tweet.

@ognarb

This is what we will do. I am working on the text for the posts where we will link GCompris and Chess.
These images will just be used for reinforcing the benefits.

In T13734#242685, @ognarb wrote:

I'm not really sure about using quotes and facts for social media posts.

For example in the chess sample post, it doesn't show that is the relation between GCompris and Chess making kids smarter. I would suggest instead to explain that GCompris is a tool to learn chess. For example, using "Teach your kids chess in a fun way with GCompris." and adding "Chess is one of the 100 activities available in GCompris. Discover them all at <link to website>" as addition text in the tweet.

+1 :)
Note: we have much more than 100 activities (we're getting close to 160 now).

A few comments about the sample images:
-In the first one, the distortion in the chess grid looks a bit weird... I feel it would look better to keep it straight.
-In the second one, to match better the design of images from the application, the sky gradient should not go to full white on the horizon, and it would be better to reuse some clouds from our assets. Also, the message part is maybe a bit small (the ratio message size/whole image size is better in the first one).

In general, I think it would be good to have a consistent formula for those images if we make several (like, same size of the image, same size and position of the logo and of the related activity icon...)

If you want, I can make those images if you tell me what you want to show for each.

In T13734#242686, @aniqakhokhar wrote:

@ognarb

This is what we will do. I am working on the text for the posts where we will link GCompris and Chess.
These images will just be used for reinforcing the benefits.

The images are good, I'm just not sure about the text inside the screenshots.

In T13734#242690, @timotheegiet wrote:

+1 :)
Note: we have much more than 100 activities (we're getting close to 160 now).

Carl Schwan updates his knowledge database :)

If you want, I can make those images if you tell me what you want to show for each.

@timotheegiet, this will be great. I can write the description for each post along with the text.

OK, good :)

I have added sample texts for the posts. This will give you an idea. If this is fine, I can add text and description for each fact/post.

"Learning becomes as GCompris offers more than 160 activities." : This sentence is a bit weird?

Also, we have close to 160 activities (159 exactly I think), not more than (yet :) ).
So I think saying "more than 150" would be better.

"...with GCompris for kids" : there's no GCompris not-for-kids, it feels like a pleonasm...
In that case "Explore free word games for kids with GCompris" is probably better.

In T13734#242815, @timotheegiet wrote:

"Learning becomes as GCompris offers more than 160 activities." : This sentence is a bit weird?

I missed 2 words. I have corrected it.

Also, we have close to 160 activities (159 exactly I think), not more than (yet :) ).
So I think saying "more than 150" would be better.

I have added this as well

"...with GCompris for kids" : there's no GCompris not-for-kids, it feels like a pleonasm...
In that case "Explore free word games for kids with GCompris" is probably better.

I have made these changes. Now I will write the text and description for a few posts. If this works well I will write it for all the facts.

@timotheegiet I have started adding descriptions for each post. Please let me know if there are any issues. In the meanwhile, I will continue to add descriptions for more posts.

After thinking more about this, I think it would be better to do the other way around: have the quotes and references inside the text part, and have a simple and short summary of the idea as text inside the images.

"Chess, Scrabble, Monopoly—even jigsaw puzzles or tic-tac-toe—do more to help children build analytical, organizational, and creative skills. – Stanfordchildrens.org"
We don't have Scrabble nor Monopoly, so this facts sentence could be misleading, making people think they are included in GCompris. Not sure we should keep it.

About all the drawing part, actually for now we only have a very minimalistic drawing activity (kind of pixel-art drawing, very limited, and users can not even save their drawing...).
We wanted to have a more "real" good drawing activity, but its development got stuck because of some issues on android and so were never finished and included.
So until we manage to have this activity finished and included, I would prefer to not advertize GCompris as including drawing activities.

In T13734#244168, @timotheegiet wrote:

After thinking more about this, I think it would be better to do the other way around: have the quotes and references inside the text part, and have a simple and short summary of the idea as text inside the images.

I will change the text then

In T13734#244169, @timotheegiet wrote:

"Chess, Scrabble, Monopoly—even jigsaw puzzles or tic-tac-toe—do more to help children build analytical, organizational, and creative skills. – Stanfordchildrens.org"
We don't have Scrabble nor Monopoly, so this facts sentence could be misleading, making people think they are included in GCompris. Not sure we should keep it.

I will remove this fact

About all the drawing part, actually for now we only have a very minimalistic drawing activity (kind of pixel-art drawing, very limited, and users can not even save their drawing...).
We wanted to have a more "real" good drawing activity, but its development got stuck because of some issues on android and so were never finished and included.
So until we manage to have this activity finished and included, I would prefer to not advertize GCompris as including drawing activities.

Then I will remove the drawing posts.

Thanks!

Re-reading the comments, I agree with ognarb when he said "I'm not really sure about using quotes and facts for social media posts".

I think we could use the Text proposed in most of the cases (sometimes with a few adjustments), but without the (Source: ...) parts. Sounds ok?

In T13734#254181, @timotheegiet wrote:

Re-reading the comments, I agree with ognarb when he said "I'm not really sure about using quotes and facts for social media posts".

I think we could use the Text proposed in most of the cases (sometimes with a few adjustments), but without the (Source: ...) parts. Sounds ok?

We can try that @timotheegiet

@aniqakhokhar Thanks! New post here:

https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/106102989448001529

https://twitter.com/g_compris/status/1384825796179660805

https://www.facebook.com/gcompris/posts/1792581280915864

@aniqakhokhar Hi, new post here:

https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/106380060230779708

https://twitter.com/g_compris/status/1402558189749653505

https://www.facebook.com/gcompris/posts/1829087783931880

Thank you @timotheegiet