No space after full stop. Signing out :(

I'll look into it as soon as I get a moment.

It should all be re-written from scratch. It's way too verbose and contentwize meaningless. 16.04 actually makes some sense but 18.04 is awful. No offence intended but that's the obvious truth.

Let's try to define what we^W I are trying to define:

Steam, Discord, Spotify, many Email Clients, many torrent clients, VPN clients, Twitter Clients, and many more close to the system tray as a default function.

That wasn't my intention in the slightest but I'll still take your advice.

It should have been obvious as soon as the defaults were changed. That way upstream could have been engaged earlier or the altering couldn't have been delayed. It was an unfortunate happening. All I'm saying is that maybe we can learn something from it. Lol, I'm not blaming anyone. It was OUR failure.

You stated it in a rude and insulting manner, and you suggested that Kubuntu contributors may have hidden impure motivations. That's unacceptable behavior.

Oh, c'mon! Let's not blow it out of proportions. I just stated my opinion.

Nobody knew about the upstream bug until we were actually using the new setting. That's how bugs get found.

It was a upstream bug indeed. Which should have been sorted out before and not after altering the defaults. So the order was all wrong.

It's an upstream bug, and it would have to be fixed there anyway. In fact, the fact that Slight RGB font hinting is not the default setting upstream is itself a bug, so once upstream fixed that bug, Kubuntu would have experienced the issue in question anyway regardless of whether or not we made this change ourselves.

A good example of why you should be cautious when changing upstream settings.

I trust that whatever you choose, it'll work for anyone *who knows* how the desktop works so +1 from me. Still, this task lacks any logical or methodological framework.

On the subject of Kickoff vs Kicker, it goes far beyond the (legitimate and important) desire to be friendly to new users and not-very-technically-proficient users. Rather, Kickoff suffers significant usability problems and productivity reducers for expert users like us, too. The most prominent of them is the agonizingly slow Applications tab, which has no "All Apps" view and requires a large amount of precision mousing to navigate between the categories.

That's not constructive, @raddison. If divergence from upstream defaults is inappropriate, then we wouldn't really have distros at all. We're all trying to make Kubuntu better. If you'd rather argue than do that, you're welcome to go do it somewhere else. If you'd like to stick around, please avoid impugning other people's motivations and using charged language ("just a a front-end for propaganda"). Thanks.

Whatever you like, but I can't shake the feeling that you're pushing your own agenda, instead of the wider community's. You're also implying that the user base is not very smart. I don't know who on earth coined this "new user" concept that is void of any real significance and it's just a a front-end for propaganda. The user is expected to learn how the desktop works and all these deviations from upstream defaults are not very smart. This is not addressed to anyone in particular. Changing some defaults won't make Kubuntu any better.

I think it would also be beneficial for Kubuntu to consult KDE's policies on data collection and telemetry. https://community.kde.org/Policies/Telemetry_Policy and find out whether Kubuntu is compliant with those.

Any news?

:)

Your choice, and if we do, then fractional-scale-factor-hi-dpi users of Kate and KDevelop on Bionic will be happy!

Well, if the commit works, I don't see any reason why we can't cherry-pick it.

It is a problem for 5.9 (confirmed), but I thought it best not to unnecessarily mess with the LTS release.

KCI and other experimental PPAs is the only place we had 5.10, and then only as then only as the 5.11 debian packaging for 5.11 did not exist at the time. All that can update to 5.11 when it's ready.

we should consider cherry-picking the fix into our Qt 5.10 and 5.11 branches

You don't have to ask the majority to determine a good default. That's the job of a good UX designer, using the skill of empathy.

The whole point of good defaults is that they should work well for the majority of people and use cases without needing to be changed.

"You can change it!" is not a helpful comment in a discussion about defaults. The whole point of good defaults is that they should work well for the majority of people and use cases without needing to be changed.

VLC is a Qt 5 app, which is great. We should get in touch with the devs and propose them to package it with breeze icons. https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=145054

Since one can customize his/her setup, your proposal doesn't bother me at all. Different people are likely to favor one setup over the other.

I don't think in practice it would be a problem to have the hotcorner separated from the Desktop Toolbox button. I wouldn't be in favor of moving the Desktop Toolbox patch to the left again because it's always supposed to have been be on the right with RTL keyboard layouts. Only a bug was preventing this, which has since been fixed upstream; when we revert our patch for the 5.13 timeframe, the Desktop Toolbox will remain on the right.

Thanks! Now we investigate the issue and try to find a fix. :)

Rik is right. The best possible scenario has been chosen.

'Often' is probably an exaggeration, since the recent reddit comment is the 1st time I can recall anyone complaining.

Thank you, Nathan. It should be fixed asap.

:)

Yeah, I had to create a new account to get it to happen. If this happens in Neon too, it's not Kubuntu-specific, so let's track the upstream bug report instead. Thanks everyone!

If I kill and restart plasmashell the behavior stops happening.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396247 :(

In T8604#149845, @oysteins wrote:

In T8604#149841, @ngraham wrote:

This was fixed upstream with https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-workspace.git/commit/?id=ee48796ec5561f540ed8b328a302e44b4364a234

FWIW I *can* reproduce this on Neon with Plasma 5.13.2, which should already have the fix you linked to. But I had to create a *new* Activity to trigger the bug (was not triggered in existing Activities).

In T8604#149841, @ngraham wrote:

This was fixed upstream with https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-workspace.git/commit/?id=ee48796ec5561f540ed8b328a302e44b4364a234

This was fixed upstream with https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-workspace.git/commit/?id=ee48796ec5561f540ed8b328a302e44b4364a234

Actually, cannot reproduce in Neon.

May I offer for consideration kblocks?

Also also T9128: Ship some more of the best KDE apps with Cosmic

Thanks! Now we investigate the issue and try to find a fix. :)

See T9127: Ship some KDE games with Cosmic

Can confirm. :(

@ngraham Like .pdf file that is downloadable from Kubuntu's site explaining in great detail what the packages mentioned in the task's title are and which are and which aren't included in the Kubuntu ISO by default. Just an example tho.

@raddison what is the actionable path forward here?

Kubuntu doesn't use ubuntu-report

This task is not relevant to Kubuntu or KDE at all. If you want to make a request like this please submit it to the proper project. Kubuntu doesn't use ubuntu-report and KDE does not have any connection to what Ubuntu does or not.

@michaeltunnell Wouldn't you agree?

It's not that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker is not documented, but it's not very obvious to the user base (if at all). Trust can only be regained by helping people to get rid of their misconceptions. Granting them easy access to information plays an essential role in it. I wonder how can this be done in Kubuntu's case.

I recommend changing this to "Enabled", and in the "Configure..." dialog, set "Sub-pixel rendering type" to "RGB" and "Hinting style" to "Slight"

Please report a bug rather than creating a task here for every small glitch/bug. That way, should anyone else happen to be experience the same, they can find it in bug reports, confirm and give more info.

T7618 Probably the root of the issue.

+1

Reboot might be required to take effect.

Okay, seems this is the only way to get rid of the glitch.

@ngraham Advise needed.

Now the question is: is this a Kubuntu issue or an Ubuntu issue? Can you reproduce the issue with a fresh install of regular old Ubuntu 18.04 too? If so, it should be reported on launchpad. If not, it can stay here.

Too late, somebody else already filed it: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395618

Too late, somebody else already filed it: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395618

Please report a bug rather than creating a task here for every small glitch/bug

@rikmills Provided you and the team is willing to accept some suggestions, we could give it a face-lift in 18.04.1. Please signal your willingness so I can know whether I should go forth with it or not. Thanks.

@tsimonq2 Maybe it contains some info that could be useful.

@rikmills Can you replicate this? It only occurs after fresh install, then it goes away. Very annoying nonetheless. I can upload a video capturing it, if necessary. Please tell me how can I help on this one.

Ubuntu flagship 18.04