In T13123#233047, @jjazeix wrote:

In T13123#233029, @dekumar wrote:

@timotheegiet Shall I use the term minuend for the goal or just the goal as "Subtraction table of 1" is okay?

It would be better to send a mail to the mailing list or having information from a native speaker/teacher. Only them can tell is the term is used or not.

@timotheegiet Shall I use the term minuend for the goal or just the goal as "Subtraction table of 1" is okay?

In T13123#233027, @echarruau wrote:

I am still not sure that we can use the term minuend. Please discuss about this with the other mentors.

I have been clear yesterday during our conversation, giving you arguments and examples that I don't want you to adapt the activity goals to your understanding of the code, but that I wanted you to produce a description corresponding to the need of pupils.
I expect this activity to include 3 years old pupils (1 star), which mean having a max number equal to 3.
I would personnaly also need multipledataset stars 2 3 4 to be taken into account.
This is a really nice activity for preschoool pupils.

@echarruau I have updated the description. Please review it once.

@timotheegiet @echarruau Can you please review the multiple dataset description if it's all good to implement?

@echarruau I have completed the sheet. Please review it :)

In D29849#675029, @echarruau wrote:

I made some changes to your new table
https://lite.framacalc.org/9h54-memory-games-testing
Once again you just answer by yes/no that does not help me at all. So I modified the columns titles in a way that forces you to tell what you are doing.
Please complete it.

@jjazeix I have fixed that regressions and pushed it to my branch gsoc_deepak_memory_games. Please check it once if it's all good now.
Link to the commit: https://invent.kde.org/education/gcompris/-/commit/5f8ea8ff0ffece3261b900df167e698e1cbb5f56

In D29840#674920, @echarruau wrote:

Changes are ok.
I would still need to see the process test table where you will document how you do the tests to be sure that you are not breaking any of the other memory activity.

@echarruau Can you please review the difficulty level of all multiple datasets once?

• Typo fixed

• Updated datatype
• Updated multiple dataset content
• improved code, updated few dataset contents

@echarruau @timotheegiet Can I implement the above described multiple datasets or is there any change which needs to be done?

@jjazeix I have updated the multiple datasets content. In order to have minimum 2 pairs for the multiple data1 and data2 to satisfy the condition to check minimum data pairs I have repeated the numbers. Also I have removed the number 0 until number 4 as per the suggestions by @echarruau

• Updated datatype
• Updated multiple dataset content

@jjazeix Are the code changes and the implementation fine? If yes can I push this to my gsoc branch and work on the datasets of addition memory activity?

In T13121#231967, @dekumar wrote:

In T13121#231756, @dekumar wrote:

In T13121#231727, @jjazeix wrote:

In T13121#231705, @dekumar wrote:

2. Dots - Count the number of dots and match with the equivalent numbers. (I will be creating the images for this purpose.)

You don't need new images, you can check how it is done in reversecount activity.

Okay, I will check it once.

@jjazeix I have checked the reversecount activity as it is implemented using a Domino but I don't think that we require domino to be used in this case. As a solution to have different configuration I was thinking to just to ovveride the images used in the datasets in each of the different modes. As the images are sliced from the data file now so we can just ovveride the image in case of different mode so it would be easy to handle and won't break any of the activity too. As the svg of images and dice are available so it just require to create the svg for dots images.

I have thought of this solution, not sure if it's the best one. Let me know what do you think?

Thanks!

In T13121#231756, @dekumar wrote:

In T13121#231727, @jjazeix wrote:

In T13121#231705, @dekumar wrote:

2. Dots - Count the number of dots and match with the equivalent numbers. (I will be creating the images for this purpose.)

You don't need new images, you can check how it is done in reversecount activity.

Okay, I will check it once.

• Updated datatype

• Updated datatype

In T13121#231727, @jjazeix wrote:

In T13121#231705, @dekumar wrote:

2. Dots - Count the number of dots and match with the equivalent numbers. (I will be creating the images for this purpose.)

You don't need new images, you can check how it is done in reversecount activity.

In T13121#231722, @echarruau wrote:

Hi,
Great so far. What do you want to be confirmed ? Others quantities
representations ?

Le sam. 30 mai 2020 à 13:07, Deepak Kumar <noreply@phabricator.kde.org> a
écrit :

dekumar added a comment.

@echarruau https://phabricator.kde.org/p/echarruau/ @timotheegiet
https://phabricator.kde.org/p/timotheegiet/ Can you please confirm me
about the different configuration? As per the discussion I have finalized
the following different configuration

1. Images - It is the one implemented right now. As here the child needs to count the number of butteflies and match with the equivalent cards. (Datasets already available)
2. Dots - Count the number of dots and match with the equivalent numbers. (I will be creating the images for this purpose.)
3. Dices - In this the child needs to add the sum of dice value and match with the cards with equal number.(Datasets from the smallnumbers2 can be used for this purpose)
   
   Thanks Deepak Kumar
   
   *TASK DETAIL* https://phabricator.kde.org/T13121
   
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@echarruau @timotheegiet Can you please confirm me about the different configuration? As per the discussion I have finalized the following different configuration

1. Images - It is the one implemented right now. As here the child needs to count the number of butteflies and match with the equivalent cards. (Datasets already available)
2. Dots - Count the number of dots and match with the equivalent numbers. (I will be creating the images for this purpose.)
3. Dices - In this the child needs to add the sum of dice value and match with the cards with equal number.(Datasets from the smallnumbers2 can be used for this purpose)

In D29830#673793, @jjazeix wrote:

Hi,
new that it is fixed, can you abandon the change?
Thanks

In T13124#230297, @timotheegiet wrote:

@dekumar:
I think the text can also be simplified for all the operations memory activities, similar to the enumeration memory, like:
"table of 1"
"table of 2"
...

And the difficulty levels (stars) should surely be adapted a bit. But this can be refined afterward.

Else, yes it's good.

In T13121#230296, @timotheegiet wrote:

No need to duplicate levels across datasets...
So only one level per dataset is enough (with one dataset per maximum number)

Also, first one "maximum number is 1" is a bit useless...as in this case there is only 2 cards...
it needs at least 2 numbers to make two pairs minimum, else it is pointless.

@timotheegiet I have updated the description as to make it more clear. I don't think it's that too long. As the initial description was "Subtraction table of 1".
Let me know if this is good.

In T13123#230298, @timotheegiet wrote:

Like I said on the comment for multiplication memory:
-I think we should keep this content for the dataset
-just the text for the goals can be simplified (like, "subtraction table of 1, maximum number 11"...)
-and probably the difficulty/stars need to be adapted a bit

... and we will see to create another activity to learn subtractions progressively for the youngers.

In T13123#230273, @echarruau wrote:

Here too we need to agree on some more "pedagogical" goals. Could you propose some deepak? I would review them.
You can have a look to what I propose in the addition and substraction goal I mentionned.
Keep in mind that until 5 years old (included) we do not work with numbers greather than 10.
1 star 0-3
2 stars 0-5
3 stars 0-10
Can seem slow for an adult, is really not, sens has to be buit.

@echarruau @timotheegiet So the datasets description I have added is fine for this activity? Later, we can have a activity to teach multiplication of tables from 2 to 10 may be.

In T13125#230274, @echarruau wrote:

Lets wait the moment to have memory multiplication activity built before to define this one description.
Seeing how the multiplication works will help us greatly to give a sens to this one, division is the inverse of multiplication.

@timotheegiet @echarruau Thanks a lot for all of your suggestions regarding the description of multiple datasets. I have updated the datasets now. Please review it once now :)

@echarruau Shall I update the description for 8 different multiple datasets in this way? As to have different levels for each multiple datasets.
Multiple data 1: Turn on the cards to match the number up to 2.
Multiple data 2: Turn on the cards to match the number up to 3.
Multiple data 3: Turn on the cards to match the number up to 4.
Multiple data 4: Turn on the cards to match the number up to 5.
Multiple data 5: Turn on the cards to match the number up to 6.
Multiple data 6: Turn on the cards to match the number up to 7.
Multiple data 7: Turn on the cards to match the number up to 8.
Multiple data 8: Turn on the cards to match the number up to 9.

In T13121#229971, @echarruau wrote:

We need to add something here to be able tot choose the quantity representation. Dots, numbers, dices etc etc
I would really build 8 multiple dataset as in pre school we spend a full year just working from 1 to 3, then a second year just from 3 to 5 so we need a selection level able to be much finer than what is now in the description.

In T13124#229973, @echarruau wrote:

Here were are the levels details!!!

In T13122#229972, @echarruau wrote:

What means :
Goal: Find cards with equivalent quantities until 11.
Star 1 is 3 years old.
At this age they are supposed to quantify a maximum of 3.

I have done the job to describe this dataset in the general description, why did you not use it?

https://phabricator.kde.org/T13122
Activity: Addition and subtraction memory game against Tux (memory-math-add-minus-tux)

In T13105#229969, @echarruau wrote:

Hi,
This is not precise enough for me. Please describe what small medium and large grid are.
It could be as simple as writing (4*4) if the small grid is 4 times 4.
I think we should use the word "the" and not "an"
"Build the identical"
Regards,

In T13104#229970, @echarruau wrote:

Level: Adding questions at different levels with four operators to be computed in 4 steps.

What means "at different levels" ?
Will there be always 4 operators and 4 steps or sometime 2 operators 4 steps or four operator 2 steps for this multiple level?

In T13102#229889, @echarruau wrote:

Sure otherwise it will be difficult to comment, cooperate.

Hi,
Did you mean I shall add the description of each of the multiple datasets I planned to implement for all of the activities?