Hmm, TBH I think this needs work. The monochrome version feels too long to me; I think shorter and more square would be better. And the color version feels too plain and boxy.

Maybe take inspiration from some of the ones that show up here? https://www.flaticon.com/search?word=video%20camera

In D18986#411619, @ngraham wrote:

Hmm, TBH I think this needs work. The monochrome version feels too long to me; I think shorter and more square would be better. And the color version feels too plain and boxy.

Maybe take inspiration from some of the ones that show up here? https://www.flaticon.com/search?word=video%20camera

The bnw version may stand to benefit from reels or an increase in height. I like this one

I don't think the color version being boxy can be helped, see camera-photo.svg and camera-web.svg

How about now?

That's much better!

I think the monochrome version is fine.
For the colorful version, I suggest making the screen much bigger if that side isn't going to be filled with more buttons or the like.

Also the partial outlines only on the top and bottom feel weird to me. I know these are present in camera-photo as well, so perhaps that should also be changed. I just think it would look nicer if the border went all the way around the camera body and across the front of the lens as well.

In D18986#411655, @trickyricky26 wrote:

I think the monochrome version is fine.
For the colorful version, I suggest making the screen much bigger if that side isn't going to be filled with more buttons or the like.

Also the partial outlines only on the top and bottom feel weird to me. I know these are present in camera-photo as well, so perhaps that should also be changed. I just think it would look nicer if the border went all the way around the camera body and across the front of the lens as well.

Okay, how thick should I make the border?

In D18986#411636, @rooty wrote:

How about now?

I made the monochrome version a little taller

Breeze monochrome icons are primarily made of ellipses and rectangles with sharp corners. We generally don't use rounded rectangles unless we have a good reason to.

In D18986#411679, @ndavis wrote:

In D18986#411636, @rooty wrote:

How about now?

I made the monochrome version a little taller

Breeze monochrome icons are primarily made of ellipses and rectangles with sharp corners. We generally don't use rounded rectangles unless we have a good reason to.

I just thought it looked nicer with rounded corners. Do you want me to change them back to regular rectangles?

For the color icon:
Avoid using the plasma logo unnecessarily. In existing device icons that use it (I want to move away from using it), it's usually placed where a brand logo would go on a real product.

Just so I can have an idea about how your design works, could you explain why you chose to use certain parts?

• The top and bottom outlines

• The blue patch on the side

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In D18986#411690, @rooty wrote:

I just thought it looked nicer with rounded corners. Do you want me to change them back to regular rectangles?

Yes. The roundness won't be very visible anyway. If you think it doesn't look nice with sharp edges, usually adding some extra details or circular/partially circular bit helps. For instance, you could add a curved handle to the top. Your icon looks like a camcorder and lots of those have handles. I'd suggest seeing how the lens of your monochrome camcorder icon looks filled in. The small diagonal lines are rather faint.

• The top and bottom outlines
• The blue patch on the side

Because of camera-photo.svg, and I also really like Plasma Blue. I'm open to suggestions, mockups, anything that would look better than the current 64 px icon.

I'd suggest seeing how the lens of your monochrome camcorder icon looks filled in. The small diagonal lines are rather faint.

I'd rather make the lines/outlines thicker than fill in the lens hood. This was actually discussed on Telegram - video cameras' bodies and hoods are almost always the same color.

In D18986#411719, @rooty wrote:

Because of camera-photo.svg, and I also really like Plasma Blue. I'm open to suggestions, mockups, anything that would look better than the current 64 px icon.

Interestingly, most cameras with alternating colors go for black in the middle and grey on the top and bottom. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Canon_FT_alvesgaspar_new.jpg

I'd suggest seeing how the lens of your monochrome camcorder icon looks filled in. The small diagonal lines are rather faint.

I'd rather make the lines/outlines thicker than fill in the lens hood. This was actually discussed on Telegram - video cameras' bodies and hoods are almost always the same color.

Yeah, that's generally true, although here's a classic exception: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/RCA_VHS_shoulder-mount_Camcorder.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Icons8_flat_camcorder.svg

Can we use this one it's so pretty?

In D18986#411735, @rooty wrote:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Icons8_flat_camcorder.svg

Can we use this one it's so pretty?

Well, we can't use that exact icon, but you can make something similar

In D18986#411746, @ndavis wrote:

In D18986#411735, @rooty wrote:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Icons8_flat_camcorder.svg

Can we use this one it's so pretty?

Well, we can't use that exact icon, but you can make something similar

Still a work in progress, but... what do you think

In D18986#411749, @rooty wrote:

In D18986#411746, @ndavis wrote:

In D18986#411735, @rooty wrote:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Icons8_flat_camcorder.svg

Can we use this one it's so pretty?

Well, we can't use that exact icon, but you can make something similar

Still a work in progress, but... what do you think

I think I like it more than the first style. It's certainly more similar to the existing camera icon style.

In D18986#411765, @ndavis wrote:

In D18986#411749, @rooty wrote:

In D18986#411746, @ndavis wrote:

In D18986#411735, @rooty wrote:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Icons8_flat_camcorder.svg

Can we use this one it's so pretty?

Well, we can't use that exact icon, but you can make something similar

Still a work in progress, but... what do you think

I think I like it more than the first style. It's certainly more similar to the existing camera icon style.

Should it be a head on view? Or should it be a side view? People also complain about it not having film reels - I don't think it needs reels but... we do still use the floppy disk icon for save (even today) so...

In D18986#411771, @rooty wrote:

Should it be a head on view? Or should it be a side view?

Head on if you're going to use this style. Side if you're going to use the first style.

People also complain about it not having film reels - I don't think it needs reels but... we do still use the floppy disk icon for save (even today) so...

Why would film reels go on a modern style camera?... If you do an old style camera, do a side view.

Why would film reels go on a modern style camera?... If you do an old style camera, do a side view.

That was my point exactly ...

I like the head-on camcorder style, but there's the risk that it's less recognizable than the "classic" style of video recorder icon that's used pretty much everywhere. If we go with the head-on style, it needs to be perfect.

Oh and I agree with @ndavis: let's not put the Plasma logo all over the place in new icons. This thing has nothing to do with Plasma; it's inappropriate branding.

In D18986#411807, @ngraham wrote:

I like the head-on camcorder style, but there's the risk that it's less recognizable than the "classic" style of video recorder icon that's used pretty much everywhere. If we go with the head-on style, it needs to be perfect.

To add to this, this type of camcorder was a design trend that pretty much stopped a few years ago as smartphone cameras got better. This means this style will probably become less recognizable in the future. Also it looks completely different than your 16px and 22px icons.

I would suggest adding a handle with the integrated microphone to the "classic" video camera design.

In D18986#411807, @ngraham wrote:

I like the head-on camcorder style, but there's the risk that it's less recognizable than the "classic" style of video recorder icon that's used pretty much everywhere. If we go with the head-on style, it needs to be perfect.

Oh and I agree with @ndavis: let's not put the Plasma logo all over the place in new icons. This thing has nothing to do with Plasma; it's inappropriate branding.

What do you mean by perfect though?
Inappropriate? I don't know about that. Also, I really like the logo.
Be it head on or side view, there's probably going to be some sort of display, and the logo seems preferable to inserting a generic landscape (boring).
I'd consider putting an image of a film reel on the display though (instead of on top of the camera haha).

In D18986#411825, @trickyricky26 wrote:

In D18986#411807, @ngraham wrote:

I like the head-on camcorder style, but there's the risk that it's less recognizable than the "classic" style of video recorder icon that's used pretty much everywhere. If we go with the head-on style, it needs to be perfect.

To add to this, this type of camcorder was a design trend that pretty much stopped a few years ago as smartphone cameras got better. This means this style will probably become less recognizable in the future. Also it looks completely different than your 16px and 22px icons.

I would suggest adding a handle with the integrated microphone to the "classic" video camera design.

While it is true that it'll become less recognizable, it's really hard to look at a camcorder head on and not see a camera lens.
It's different from my 16 px and 22 px icons, but that's hardly a problem, I can always change those to accommodate the 64 px version.
But I have the feeling you want me to do the opposite -

In D18986#411922, @rooty wrote:

But I have the feeling you want me to do the opposite -

Yeah in general I think using some permutation of the "classic" design presents less risk since it's much more recognizable.

It's not that the Plasma logo is bad, it's that it doesn't make sense to put it everywhere; doing so dilutes its branding power in fact. Also, it doesn't make sense to put it on icons that have nothing to do with Plasma.

It's not that the Plasma logo is bad, it's that it doesn't make sense to put it everywhere; doing so dilutes its branding power in fact. Also, it doesn't make sense to put it on icons that have nothing to do with Plasma.

Sure. But I see a big blue display and ... I just can't help myself hahahaha

I don't know... I've been mulling this over for the last couple of days and... I'm not sold on the side view, because any variant of a side view will look broadly different from the other camera icons we already have (probably because it's harder to flatten a side view and get away with it the way you can with a head-on view ?).

For example,

So I've decided to change just the 16/22 px icons to make them head-on - it looks a lot better when you take the camera-photo icon into consideration:

In D18986#414556, @rooty wrote:

I don't know... I've been mulling this over for the last couple of days and... I'm not sold on the side view, because any variant of a side view will look broadly different from the other camera icons we already have

Doesn't that logic also apply to a head-on-view icon for a video camera? It's not re-using the familiarity people generally have with the very common side-view video camera icons. A search on flaticon turns up the following, for example:

In D18986#414602, @ngraham wrote:

Doesn't that logic also apply to a head-on-view icon for a video camera? It's not re-using the familiarity people generally have with the very common side-view video camera icons. A search on flaticon turns up the following, for example:

I don't know. Using a head-on view might make the icon more consistent with the rest of Plasma (not what people generally use and are familiar with).

Using an icon with the video camera in profile will require us to either break consistency with the other camera icons or change the other icons to accommodate the new video camera icon.

Most searches turn up this

If you're okay with the inconsistency, I can do a side view. But there definitely is an inconsistency.

It's perhaps not the most used video camera design, but I'm cool with this. I too wouldn't use the Plasma icon; it makes more sense to put some multimedia icon there.

I will admit that the current head-on view is more attractive than the previous side view version. :) But I still worry about recognizability. Here's what the icon will look like in Kamoso, for example:

Regardless, let's remove the plasma logo and replace it with the common mountain-and-sun scene from viewimage

In D18986#414635, @ngraham wrote:

I will admit that the current head-on view is more attractive than the previous side view version. :)

Tongue in cheek :D
Which size are you talking about though? The monochrome ones or the color one?

P.S.

This is a rough draft of what a side view 64 px version would look like with a microphone on top (I can't stand film reels in icons, sorry...)

In D18986#414641, @rooty wrote:

This is a rough draft of what a side view 64 px version would look like with a microphone on top (I can't stand film reels in icons, sorry...)

Nice, that's much better than the previous side version!

More progress. How's this

Getting there! I'm not sure the shadow on the top handle works though.

In D18986#414687, @ngraham wrote:

Getting there! I'm not sure the shadow on the top handle works though.

Oh that's just inkscape being difficult - that's not supposed to be there hahaha

In D18986#414687, @ngraham wrote:

Getting there! I'm not sure the shadow on the top handle works though.

Fixed it

In D18986#415677, @trickyricky26 wrote:

I will make some minor changes to the 64px design.

Sure thing, sorry about being lazy and not updating the screenshots 😅

@ngraham If you include this in TWIP&U, use this image since it's slightly sharper on the 64px icon. @trickyricky26's montage is screwing up even though he's using the same command as me.

Would it be possible to also add the lineart versions as -symbolic? In my new app I rely on Kirigami's icon recoloring feature and it only works with monochrome icons, so I rely on -symbolic to request them.