Thank you!

Just as a side note, the kde-announce list tends to be more focused on final consumers of our press announcements, while that looked like a message aimed at journalists.
Was the correct message sent to the list?

In T11623#199677, @bcooksley wrote:

Just as a side note, the kde-announce list tends to be more focused on final consumers of our press announcements, while that looked like a message aimed at journalists.
Was the correct message sent to the list?

Interesting. Stuff sent to kde-announce does go to journalists and press outlets, though. I am subscribed to Linux Magazine's press release mailing list and stuff that gets sent to kde-announce pops up there. Also, when we get an out-of-office or automated message back, it is nearly always from a journalist or a media outlet. So it looks like it is going where we are intending it go and the list of the recipients seems to be the one we want it to be. That said, what address are you suggesting we use? Would it help us reach a bigger or more suitable audience? Is there a list of recipients anywhere?

I think that says more about journalist than any real metrics :-)

Surely the press contacts list is the correct place?

If memory serves we had a kde-press-announce@kde.org mailing list for reaching out to journalists.

Are those two the same place? Can we send to both kde-announce and kde-press-announce just in case? Or will that cause problems? We would not be doing this very often, maybe once or twice a year at the current rate. Excuse me for the barrage of questions.

no different, i think you probably sent to the wrong place

kde-press-announce is designed for what you want

people on kde-announce will mainly have wondered why they were sent an email not meant for 99.9999% of them

They're different places.

The kde-announce mailing list is intended for announcements to the world, much like kde.org/announcements/. Subscribers to this would have usually received an email with just the content of the PDF file you sent in that email.

The kde-press-announce list on the other hand is for communication just to journalists, and I believe we can send embargoed content there in advance so press publications can have their posts ready before the embargo lifts.

Your email very much looked like it was intended for kde-press-announce.

In T11623#199707, @bcooksley wrote:

If memory serves we had a kde-press-announce@kde.org mailing list for reaching out to journalists

I can't see kde-press-announce@kde.org on the list here: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo . Where are the archives and list of subscribers?

If it does not contain up-to-date information of journalists and press outlets (which if it has been unused for some time, seems likely), it is not going to be interesting for us. Is there any way of finding out?

For the record, to carry out promotional tasks that concern the press, we have to be able to reach the press. We cannot control what journalists choose to listen to. Telling them to tune into something else is going to mean we lose a significant chunk of our current readership: most will just ignore something like that. If the best way to reach the audience we want turns out to be using kde-announce, then we should be allowed to do so we don't hinder Promo's work and, ultimately, for the benefit of everybody. It is not like we need to do this often anyway, at the current rate, once or twice a year at most.

For the moment, I will do a test run by sending the press release to kde-press-announce@kde.org to see if it pops up in the Linux Magazine feed and we get automated feedback from other outlets like what happens when we send to kde-announcements.

Thank you for your insight, advice and patience.

The list is a private list, so you need the URL to see the list page. Additionally, the membership list is private so you won't be able to review it.

It looks like the last time it was used was back in September 2017, but at the time it had a very current list of journalists subscribed to it (and chances are it is quite relevant still given it was generally a very low volume list)

In terms of announcements, a while back things got done like this:

1. Send announcements in advance to kde-press-announce@kde.org (so journalists can prep), subject to embargo
2. Send announcements out on kde-announce@kde.org (for public users) and out via the Dot.

I'm not 100% sure on the background of the kde-press-announce list though, but Lydia and Sebas were running it back then so she may know more.

Okay. Put me and @skadinna and, say, @jriddell in charge of that list. Sebas is not very active any more and Lydia is often unavailable because of work or travel. Promo must not have to rely on third parties that are often absent when they are needed.