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The "KDE Applications" bundle.
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Recent Activity

Today

Leon0402 added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Personally, I prefer branding icons much over functionality. It would be horrible if all my browsers and code editors would have the same icon. I want to know when I look in my task bar, what apps exactly I have open. Furthermore, it's always been like that ... no app on my phone or somewhere else uses a generic icon ... for good reason, I search for an app by looking at the icon and not at the text (in fact, some icons don't even have text like the icon in the bottom "favourite bar" on iOS).
Imho, a good branding icon gives some hint about the functionality as well, but it doesn't have to. And well the branding icon is designed by the application, not by breeze.

Thu, Sep 19, 2:28 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

EDIT: I have already said this here and there but please don't run any automated script to SVG icons, because when opening them back in Inkscape they are corrupted and everytime I edit a Breeze icon I have to do additional work to fix shapes and gradients corrupted by the scripts.

This is something you should bring up in the VDG chatroom and discuss with @ndavis in particular as we currently make heavy use of these scripts for optimization purposes. Hopefully we can come up with a solution together.

I actually hand check for errors when I optimize. If the gradients are out of place, then I put them back into place, optimize again and check again. Usually, the gradients get messed up when they're missing some data that is supposed to be in there and they get optimized with SVG Cleaner. If you ever see Warning: The 'stop' element must have an 'offset' attribute. Fallback to 'offset=0'., you need to check the gradients.

There are a fair amount of icons with gradient handles that are lined up right, but are way off to the side. Those were there before I started working on breeze-icons and I fix them as I go.

Thu, Sep 19, 2:01 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ndavis added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

EDIT: I have already said this here and there but please don't run any automated script to SVG icons, because when opening them back in Inkscape they are corrupted and everytime I edit a Breeze icon I have to do additional work to fix shapes and gradients corrupted by the scripts.

This is something you should bring up in the VDG chatroom and discuss with @ndavis in particular as we currently make heavy use of these scripts for optimization purposes. Hopefully we can come up with a solution together.

Thu, Sep 19, 1:26 AM · KDE Applications, VDG

Yesterday

ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

I don't think glasses will ever look good at small sizes, can't we use something else for Okular? A clip? A highlighter?

Wed, Sep 18, 9:00 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

I don't think glasses will ever look good at small sizes, can't we use something else for Okular? A clip? A highlighter?

Wed, Sep 18, 8:22 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

That's not a bad icon, but again, I think we owe it to the app developers to be as true to the original icon as possible. That text-origami-bird icon is cool, but it has nothing to do with Kate's original icon. The HIG specifically recommends against this:

Wed, Sep 18, 8:04 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
cullmann added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Hmm, that looks more like a mail application ;=)
As Tyson is already working on something, but at the moment has not much time, I would tend to just keep Kate's icon as is and look at the final stuff Tyson provides first.
Otherwise I think that is a bit unfair.

Wed, Sep 18, 8:03 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Would something like this being enough for Kate i.e. an origami bird made of current icon paper?

Wed, Sep 18, 7:56 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
cullmann added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Yeah, an app's icon is a part of its branding. It should look distinctive, not generic. Ideally it communicates both its purpose ("I'm a text editor!") as well as its identity ("I'm Kate!"). I think the problem with some of these icons is that they only do the former, not the latter. I don't think there is a conflict here, though!

This seems like the crux of the issue to me, I don't think it's that much about the flat vs. skeuo debate.

Some icons listed here are distinguishable, still do a decent job in terms of branding, and would maybe only benefit from a little tweaking (e.g. Gwenview). But others such as the Okular, Konsole, Kate, KWrite, Yakuake, and the previous version of the Kolf icon look somewhat generic to me.

Wed, Sep 18, 7:05 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
cullmann added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Here there is an example of brand artwork using that diagonal shape for Konsole:

Edit: to be honest I think this is both distinctive and descriptive:

Wed, Sep 18, 7:04 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
filipf added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Yeah, an app's icon is a part of its branding. It should look distinctive, not generic. Ideally it communicates both its purpose ("I'm a text editor!") as well as its identity ("I'm Kate!"). I think the problem with some of these icons is that they only do the former, not the latter. I don't think there is a conflict here, though!

Wed, Sep 18, 6:59 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
aacid added a comment to T10972: KDE Applications release scripts should add release notes to appstream files.

With the new "Release Service" idea, we're basically giving back part of the promo to apps and letting the promo people actually focus on "the important apps", whatever those are :D

Wed, Sep 18, 6:26 PM · KDE Applications
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Here there is an example of brand artwork using that diagonal shape for Konsole:

Wed, Sep 18, 6:07 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

What do you think about this kind of icon? This one is for Discover: the puzzle pieces indicate apps and other addons, the triangles the packages that ship the apps and the ">" shape looks like Plasma logo.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:50 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Maybe look forward for this then for Plasma 6?

Wed, Sep 18, 5:37 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
starbuck updated subscribers of T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

I'd agree that flatness taken too far becomes unattractive/dull also for me
personally. When comparing Breeze and latest Iphone icons though, I think
our set looks awesomeness, it is so good that i have yet to find something
else that i would stick to and not go back to Breeze after relative short
time, elemantary included. Since its all subjective, I am not sure if
changing some of Breeze would make things better, but leave everyone
unsatisfied in the end, as current Gwenview, K3B fit imho so good with the
rest that starting to change them would rather require a new style
altogether than mixing or going halfway back to something Oxygen-like?
Maybe look forward for this then for Plasma 6?

Wed, Sep 18, 5:35 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
kossebau added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

cold, barren, and excessively harsh and masculine. But you also don't go overboard on ornamentation or else it feels smothering, claustrophobic, and excessively feminine.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:34 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

@ngraham I don't know about macOS, but ElementaryOS icons look so good because they are designed for each size and I don't think we have the manpower to do that to Breeze icons.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:30 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

EDIT: I have already said this here and there but please don't run any automated script to SVG icons, because when opening them back in Inkscape they are corrupted and everytime I edit a Breeze icon I have to do additional work to fix shapes and gradients corrupted by the scripts.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:24 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

@ngraham I don't know about macOS, but ElementaryOS icons look so good because they are designed for each size and I don't think we have the manpower to do that to Breeze icons.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:24 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

I have a problem with extreme minimalism in same the way that I have a problem with extreme ornamentation. I don't like either one, when taken too far. The problem with doing this is that it irritates people who really dislike that style, and they push you to go in the opposite direction, and then the people who dislike that style object and push you back, and so on forever.

Wed, Sep 18, 5:16 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

@ngraham I think you have a problem with minimalism :) original Breeze icon for Gwenview, Kate and KWrite were even worse than the current ones by me, in fact I already tried to go back to some Oxygen style.

Wed, Sep 18, 4:48 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

The problem I have with Gwenview's icon is that it just feels inferior to the Oxygen one.

Wed, Sep 18, 2:44 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
mmustac updated the task description for T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.
Wed, Sep 18, 2:32 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Just to be clear, is Gwenview icon enough descriptive and distinctive at the same time?

Wed, Sep 18, 2:10 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
ngraham added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Yeah, an app's icon is a part of its branding. It should look distinctive, not generic. Ideally it communicates both its purpose ("I'm a text editor!") as well as its identity ("I'm Kate!"). I think the problem with some of these icons is that they on;y do the former, not the latter.

Wed, Sep 18, 2:01 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Actually, that is exactly what I want to have: an arbitrary logo that is distinguishable.
It does Kate a big disservice that we have no icon like Atom/Sublime/Vim/...
A generic "text" icon is nice for a mime-type.
Users will easily detect where to start Atom, but not where to start Kate, as it could just be any other "editor".

Wed, Sep 18, 2:00 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
kossebau added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Sounds like there should be some additional "Generic icon" entry in the app/desktopfile metadata, so people can decide whether they want to see brand-based icons or function-based icons, like there is with "Name" & "Generic Name".

Wed, Sep 18, 1:59 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
cullmann added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Actually, that is exactly what I want to have: an arbitrary logo that is distinguishable.
It does Kate a big disservice that we have no icon like Atom/Sublime/Vim/...
A generic "text" icon is nice for a mime-type.
Users will easily detect where to start Atom, but not where to start Kate, as it could just be any other "editor".

Wed, Sep 18, 1:50 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
alex-l added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Hey there, Gwenview, Kate and Kwrite icons are by me.

Wed, Sep 18, 1:44 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
starbuck added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

Personally I find the Breeze icons dope, especially Kontact, Yakuake, K3b and Ark.

Wed, Sep 18, 11:40 AM · KDE Applications, VDG

Tue, Sep 17

ngraham added a comment to T10972: KDE Applications release scripts should add release notes to appstream files.

I mean ideally the promo team would do that for each individual app. But that might be asking a bit much of them.

Tue, Sep 17, 4:50 PM · KDE Applications
ltoscano added a comment to T10972: KDE Applications release scripts should add release notes to appstream files.

Writing release notes as-you-go isn't a bad idea in general but doesn't help us here because the promo team likes to rewrite and polish up the final announcement. This can only be done at the very end once all the raw data for the notes has been collected, which can't happen until all the features and bugfixes they want to mention have already been committed.

Tue, Sep 17, 4:49 PM · KDE Applications
ngraham added a comment to T10972: KDE Applications release scripts should add release notes to appstream files.

Writing release notes as-you-go isn't a bad idea in general but doesn't help us here because the promo team likes to rewrite and polish up the final announcement. This can only be done at the very end once all the raw data for the notes has been collected, which can't happen until all the features and bugfixes they want to mention have already been committed.

Tue, Sep 17, 4:47 PM · KDE Applications

Mon, Sep 16

mak added a comment to T10972: KDE Applications release scripts should add release notes to appstream files.
In T10972#200504, @mak wrote:

Unfortunately even then KDEs translation system makes every metainfo translation *really* hard compared to how GNOME does it, where stuff like this is much simpler)

If the release notes are complete when the freeze happens, which is the rule that should be followed, I don't see how the translation system could get in the way. What is the technical difference with the Gnome system (apart from their recent switch to pure gettext for appdata files), and how would impact the translations?

Mon, Sep 16, 11:02 PM · KDE Applications

Sun, Sep 15

ltoscano added a comment to T10972: KDE Applications release scripts should add release notes to appstream files.
In T10972#200504, @mak wrote:

Unfortunately even then KDEs translation system makes every metainfo translation *really* hard compared to how GNOME does it, where stuff like this is much simpler)

Sun, Sep 15, 10:13 PM · KDE Applications
mak added a comment to T10972: KDE Applications release scripts should add release notes to appstream files.

New versions of appstreamcli can add release information from NEWS files as well as YAML files containing the change information. That should make it easier for people to adopt this feature, if integrated into the build process (I could create an example for that with cmake, I guess).
Remoting release information to web locations will definitely take a while, because not only does this need to be specified, but it also needs to percolate through the whole stack so this works even on older distributions. So, it's better not to wait completely for that solution, but rather start with the existing one and then switch to the other once it becomes available.
(If people would write release notes while working on the release, translators would have a chance to actually translate them before a release is made. Unfortunately even then KDEs translation system makes every metainfo translation *really* hard compared to how GNOME does it, where stuff like this is much simpler)

Sun, Sep 15, 10:09 PM · KDE Applications

Wed, Sep 11

cullmann added a comment to T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons.

For Kate, I am in contact with Tyson to have the icon updated (and to get some refreshed matching mascot).

Wed, Sep 11, 8:09 AM · KDE Applications, VDG

Tue, Sep 10

wbauer closed D23826: Fix build with cmake < 3.12.
Tue, Sep 10, 2:09 PM · KDE Applications
aacid accepted D23826: Fix build with cmake < 3.12.
Tue, Sep 10, 12:49 PM · KDE Applications
wbauer requested review of D23826: Fix build with cmake < 3.12.
Tue, Sep 10, 10:19 AM · KDE Applications

Thu, Sep 5

aacid added a comment to D22489: Add release versions appstream files to increase_repos_version.sh.

There's no document with a good summary of how to do a release

Thu, Sep 5, 7:27 PM · KDE Applications
jriddell added a comment to D22489: Add release versions appstream files to increase_repos_version.sh.

I'm not sure of the purpose in adding the option to use command line switches, the scripts already have that config file so seems easiest to reuse it.

Thu, Sep 5, 7:19 PM · KDE Applications
jriddell updated the diff for D22489: Add release versions appstream files to increase_repos_version.sh.
  • add appstream version script
  • move common functions to a common file
  • use the config file for config settings
  • update README, import path
  • fix imports
  • fix release date, update README
Thu, Sep 5, 7:17 PM · KDE Applications
jriddell reopened D22489: Add release versions appstream files to increase_repos_version.sh.
Thu, Sep 5, 7:17 PM · KDE Applications
jriddell closed D22489: Add release versions appstream files to increase_repos_version.sh.
Thu, Sep 5, 7:04 PM · KDE Applications

Tue, Sep 3

cfeck changed the edit policy for P459 19.08.1 REVISIONS_AND__HASHES.
Tue, Sep 3, 2:27 AM · KDE Applications

Mon, Sep 2

paulb closed T11238: Applications 19.08 release as Resolved.
Mon, Sep 2, 7:54 AM · KDE Applications, KDE Promo

Thu, Aug 29

fusitter added a comment to T10159: kde.org/applications rewrite.

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Thu, Aug 29, 4:00 PM · KDE Applications, Website Developers, KDE Promo

Aug 16 2019

paulb moved T11238: Applications 19.08 release from Doing - Tasks that are actively worked on to Done on the KDE Promo board.
Aug 16 2019, 11:52 PM · KDE Applications, KDE Promo