With https://invent.kde.org/frameworks/kirigami/-/merge_requests/1235, we have a path forward here, at least for QML apps.

I prefer actions always being in a sidebar, especially via mobile, so I believe that mimicking how desktop applications provide their actions is regressive.

Besides toolbars, KXmlGui also provides KShortcutsDialog which is a free shortcut editor. This will also be useful in any app that has lots of shortcuts.

That makes a lot of sense to me!

With Kalendar we ended up using quite a bit of stuff from KConfigWidgets and KXmlGui.

In T14211#260926, @ognarb wrote:

In T14211#260924, @GB_2 wrote:

In T14211#255944, @ngraham wrote:

I'm kinda confused. You mean that, the sidebar and the files view (content) should share the same colour? Like in Discover?

Yes.

Does not seem like a good idea to me. We should make an effort to help users distinguish the areas of the window more easily, like we already do with the titlebar and window content. Pretty much every platform has this separation. It's also more pleasing to the eye.

+1 personally I would like to see sidebar using a subtle grey and the content all white. This would give a nice visual hierarchy there white is the predominant color on the screen and this will also reduce the impression that Breeze is old-looking because it's too much grey.

Kinda like the Clock screenshot but with a sidebar even less greyish

Yeah, enforcing wasn't a good word in this context.

In T12435#260970, @fhek wrote:

Personally I think this would be a good layout to enforce onto our applications

Sure but I think we should make it easier to follow the HIG, creating common components, good defaults, etc...

https://develop.kde.org/hig/ < let's not reinvent the wheel. Whatever is there can be addressed if it doesn't fit. If an application doesn't fit the HIG it can definitely be addressed.

Personally I think this would be a good layout to enforce onto our applications:

In T14211#260924, @GB_2 wrote:

In T14211#255944, @ngraham wrote:

I'm kinda confused. You mean that, the sidebar and the files view (content) should share the same colour? Like in Discover?

Yes.

Does not seem like a good idea to me. We should make an effort to help users distinguish the areas of the window more easily, like we already do with the titlebar and window content. Pretty much every platform has this separation. It's also more pleasing to the eye.

In T14211#255944, @ngraham wrote:

I'm kinda confused. You mean that, the sidebar and the files view (content) should share the same colour? Like in Discover?

Yes.

Does not seem like a good idea to me. We should make an effort to help users distinguish the areas of the window more easily, like we already do with the titlebar and window content. Pretty much every platform has this separation. It's also more pleasing to the eye.

tbh not a fan of that idea especially considering that we wanna minimize the amount of chrome at any given time

• I think the Koko information sidebar, when opened, should stay there as a sidebar rather than a overlay
• I think the "crop" tool is a bit behind the Gwenview's:
  • Crop area should be same size as the image by default, and should not be able to be bigger or outsite the image itself
  • You should be able to set a aspect ratio for cropping, potentially "keep the same ratio as original image"

Next steps:

That's great! @mikeljohnson, what do you think the next step for Koko is?

this has just landed 🎉

Sweet!

started work at https://invent.kde.org/graphics/koko/-/merge_requests/69 (nice)

bad example haha, I might actually work on this today, since it should be pretty simple (famous last words)

I wouldn't call video support niche, as I think a lot of people who take family photos will have videos interspersed with their images. This is certainly the case for me, my wife, and my parents.

tbf feature wise koko already has most of the gwenview's features excluding some niche stuff like video support, so it's not like it can really get more complicated than it already is :P

I generally agree with that, but I wouldn't want to take it too far, as I think you can with minimalism. At least for the desktop use case where there is generally plenty of screen real estate available, I think it would be good to at least display the toolbar as well without requiring additional user interaction.

I think something we should keep in mind is that a lot of current Gwenview users don't actually want to use most of Gwenview's features. I'm not saying we shouldn't have them, but we should make sure we don't add more complexity to the UI than we really need to in the most common situations. I think the most common situation is when an image is being opened via another app like Dolphin. In that case, I think it's best to focus on just displaying the image, which Koko already does in its current state.

Oh alright, I thought that, using two colors, like the clock app depicted above, would appeal more without destroyed UX and usability. It would make apps look more "interesting" imo. Maybe I'm just saying all those because it happens in most other popular software.

I'm kinda confused. You mean that, the sidebar and the files view (content) should share the same colour? Like in Discover?

I'm kinda confused. You mean that, the sidebar and the files view (content) should share the same colour? Like in Discover? Wouldn't it help users to identify whether what they look at is a sidebar if it has a different colour (like eff0f1)?

Dolphin's sidebar is a scrollable view of content items, so logically it should have a white sidebar too. It's even attempting to do so in a frameless manner already, it just doesn't really succeed because there isn't a solid line border on all sides of it.

What about desktop-"focused" apps like dolphin? I think that those apps could look like dolphin: window content (large areas) should be lighter than sidebars and titlebars+toolbars, in breeze light. I haven't studied dark theme though to tell a lot.

It strikes me that there is an easy way to conceptualize this.

Seems to no longer be relevant.

I think giving the lightest color to the widest areas seems technically the best: You got the darkest shade for titlebars, the middle one for sidebars and the rest (usually) will have the lightest color. (Talking about Breeze Light).