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joricke added a comment to T12192: Tweak SimpleMenu layout and replace Kickoff.

Well compared to the remaining UI elements that _can_ be interacted with it does look out of place or odd at least. Yes I agree that overall line edits are used for such things and it'd break up consistency, but it doesn't look "right" as it is right now. I'll try to work some thoughts into image later. 

Tue, Dec 10, 12:50 PM · Plasma, VDG
joricke added a comment to T12192: Tweak SimpleMenu layout and replace Kickoff.

Is it necesseray for the "Search here" input field to have this not so pretty border and padding around it? Why not fuse it with the entire cell it's located in?

Tue, Dec 10, 6:41 AM · Plasma, VDG

Sun, Dec 8

joricke added a comment to T11663: Move URL Navigator into toolbar.

"Keep a single URL Navigator in the toolbar, but change it dynamically to show the path for the active split view" is probably the best option

The issue with that approach is that you can never be 100% sure you're in the right directory on your inactive split view. A minor issue, yes, but an issue nonetheless.

Sun, Dec 8, 5:50 PM · VDG, Dolphin

Sat, Dec 7

joricke added a comment to T12192: Tweak SimpleMenu layout and replace Kickoff.

What if we just drop the A-Z tab or put it in the sidebar with the rest of the categories?

Sat, Dec 7, 8:28 AM · Plasma, VDG

Thu, Dec 5

joricke removed a watcher for Websites: joricke.
Thu, Dec 5, 9:24 PM

Tue, Dec 3

joricke added a comment to T11663: Move URL Navigator into toolbar.

Picking up the discussions taken place on Reddit, on T12308 and on T11662, I'd like to show a revised mockup and would love some input on it:


I was also toying with the idea of having the tabs use a minimum width to increase their overall wideness and to prevent really small tabs when users are in directories such as /usr, maybe even auto fill the width available to use the space completely.
This mockup is not using any new QStyles, so it may look different on a proper redesign, but it takes into account a lot of information gathered from the talks as such:

Tue, Dec 3, 11:27 PM · VDG, Dolphin
joricke added a comment to T12308: Dolphin UI redesign.

I think moving over to the other discussion would be more beneficial.

Tue, Dec 3, 9:19 PM · VDG
joricke added a comment to T12308: Dolphin UI redesign.

Like so?

Tue, Dec 3, 8:11 PM · VDG
joricke added a comment to T12308: Dolphin UI redesign.

First of all, thanks for linking this @manueljlin
How would the design look with a split view?

Tue, Dec 3, 7:55 PM · VDG

Mon, Dec 2

joricke added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

The Aurorae engine is a more popular and easy but limited way to make custom window decorations. I don't think it would be able to do what you're talking about.

I didn't mean to ask for a solution using Aurorae. I'm currently working on a decoration and QStyle set which is based on a fork of Breeze, so it's good to know I can pass information from one to the other. Helps me out a ton for some fun ideas.
Thanks!

Mon, Dec 2, 9:42 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
joricke added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

I haven't dug too deep into KFrameworks stuff, but is the decoration able to detect if the QStyle has to render a toolbar? I'm asking because on macOS for example the gradient is always the same, just more or less stretched depending on the size of the titlebar. This creates a very consistent look over all. This could also be used to draw or hide a titlebar seperator depending on wether or not a toolbar will be drawn in the window.

Mon, Dec 2, 7:50 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
joricke added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

Oh okay, so if I were to make a theme and would like to create a gradient that extends all the way from the top of the window to the bottom of the toolbar I'd essentially have to create a decoration and a qstyle and use the two to give the impression of a continuus gradient?

Mon, Dec 2, 7:44 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
joricke added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

One question that came up in my mind: how would this new "combine area for titlebar and toolbar" affect themes that draw gradients on the titlebar?

Mon, Dec 2, 8:13 AM · KDE Applications, VDG

Tue, Nov 26

joricke added a comment to T11662: Improve visual appeal for KUrlNavigator when in Breadcrumbs mode.

You should draw a widget using QStyle in order to make it look reasonably with other styles

Well yes, I was merely saying the margins and paddings could be adjusted without breaking a sweat or visual compatibility.

Tue, Nov 26, 10:16 PM · Breeze, VDG
joricke added a comment to T11662: Improve visual appeal for KUrlNavigator when in Breadcrumbs mode.

So either we change it everywhere

Consistency on the desktop is a big goal of KDE and therefore I agree, if changes like these make it into Dolphin, other parts where similar elements appear should be re-evaluated as well.

Tue, Nov 26, 10:07 AM · Breeze, VDG

Mon, Nov 25

joricke added a comment to T11662: Improve visual appeal for KUrlNavigator when in Breadcrumbs mode.

So it either should be outside frame, like the checkmark button

It already is though. The navbar in my mockup is what is known as an "input group", which is a regular UI element that can consist of an arbitrary amount of buttons, labels and input fields. A prominent example of this for web UI would be Bootstrap: https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/components/input-group/
Generally such groups are used to visually signal that the individual items interact with each other within that group. I hope my crude mockup makes clear what I try to explain:

Mon, Nov 25, 8:04 PM · Breeze, VDG
joricke added a comment to T11662: Improve visual appeal for KUrlNavigator when in Breadcrumbs mode.

So more like this then?

Mon, Nov 25, 7:03 AM · Breeze, VDG

Sat, Nov 23

joricke added a comment to T11662: Improve visual appeal for KUrlNavigator when in Breadcrumbs mode.

In that case I prefer "no lines but arrows". It looks cleaner and less crowded:

Sat, Nov 23, 12:58 PM · Breeze, VDG

Fri, Nov 22

joricke added a comment to T9460: Consider a more user-friendly SpinBox control.

Is it not possible to query the device the box has to be rendered on whether it uses touch or pointer input? If it is possible, the SpinBox could render in two different ways, one of which is the current design and the other being a touch optimized render.
Mobile users are very much used to in input field with a Minus control button on the left and a Plus control button on the right to modify the value of the input by a pre-set step. However this design is not very logical for pointer input devices such as regular desktop PCs, or laptops.

Fri, Nov 22, 3:57 PM · KDE Human Interface Guidelines, Kirigami, Breeze, VDG
joricke added a comment to T11662: Improve visual appeal for KUrlNavigator when in Breadcrumbs mode.

it sticks out as visually inconsistent with drop down menu buttons.

I agree.

Fri, Nov 22, 11:26 AM · Breeze, VDG
joricke added a comment to T11662: Improve visual appeal for KUrlNavigator when in Breadcrumbs mode.

Windows may do it that way, but I don't find it intuitive have the order of UI elements changed.

Absolute agreement on that part.

Fri, Nov 22, 9:43 AM · Breeze, VDG
joricke added a comment to T11662: Improve visual appeal for KUrlNavigator when in Breadcrumbs mode.

Actually, it's the blank area to the right of the text and the arrows that triggers the edit mode. When you click the text, Dolphin switches to the directory in the label.

You're right, my mistake.

Fri, Nov 22, 7:45 AM · Breeze, VDG
joricke added a comment to T11662: Improve visual appeal for KUrlNavigator when in Breadcrumbs mode.
In T11662#209294, @mglb wrote:

That's why it should not look exactly the same as something other - it is different control. With big advantages as a concept, limited to this use case.

Well yes, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough; while it has to look different to signal that it's a different control element, it still should look same-ish to existing control elements. I'd even argue that no matter how you'd style the navigator, users would probably understand that it's a breadcrumb thing after being subject to those in a lot of web applications but still, gotta get it _right_ to make it look like it "belongs".

Fri, Nov 22, 6:33 AM · Breeze, VDG

Thu, Nov 21

joricke added a comment to T11662: Improve visual appeal for KUrlNavigator when in Breadcrumbs mode.

The biggest problem that I see with the breadcrumbs receiving a new coat of paint with pointy or slanted lines would be the fact that it's a UI element that doesn't exist in vanilla KDE anywhere else in that form. At least I can't think of where it shows up, but please correct me if that is wrong. Taking Gestalt theory into consideration, this might be bad UX as it exposes users to new elements that are unique to that one location.

Thu, Nov 21, 8:38 AM · Breeze, VDG

Tue, Nov 19

joricke added a comment to T12068: Combine the UIs for Virtual Desktop and Activities.

Would that impair a setup that is already using VDs in a 2x2 grid? Asking for a friend :^)
Honestly though, what would happen on desktops that are using said grid? Would Activities be forced in my layout?

Tue, Nov 19, 7:02 AM · VDG, Plasma

Sat, Nov 16

joricke added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

one of those in my mockup is actually the name of the Application Style subcategory.

Sat, Nov 16, 10:47 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
joricke added a comment to T10827: Website redesign.

Looks really nice and in-line with the overall KDE website theme. Good job!

Sat, Nov 16, 8:45 PM · Goal: All About the Apps, Goal: Consistency, Websites
joricke added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

You made the redundancy worse again. Why waste space on the titlebar and make it larger again? Why add the "Application Style" font?

Sat, Nov 16, 7:30 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
joricke added a comment to T11925: Breeze Desktop Theme Transparency.

This one isn't about contrast though is it?

The Breeze re-theming? No. I was merely stating why some designers do this based on some findings that are circulating in some circles.

Sat, Nov 16, 1:37 PM · VDG
joricke added a comment to T10891: Breeze theme evolution.

Ooh, interesting thoughts. Let's see:

Sat, Nov 16, 10:57 AM · Plasma, VDG, Breeze
joricke added a comment to T11814: Breeze Icon Theme Homepage.

I understand the need for branding, but a simple site to display all icons is not really immersive for the user. Taking a look at how Apple advertise their icons on https://www.apple.com/macos/catalina/ you can see that they do a combined showcase of their desktop layout and feature a few core applications which obviously also have their icons displayed on the page. This is pretty effective and subtle.
Microsoft even dials it back further on https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/windows/windows-10-apps and https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/windows/features by not even making the interface the important part, but rather the entertainment and productivity you could have when using them.
A page listing all icons could be done like https://fontawesome.com/icons?d=gallery and similar icon sets do it, or make it similar to how Cuttlefish looks (att. 1).

Sat, Nov 16, 10:39 AM · VDG, Websites, Breeze
joricke added a comment to T11925: Breeze Desktop Theme Transparency.

Having read my share of black on white .pdf files I tried to figure out why "grey"/"brighter black" text is sometimes used in web dev or in general on digital screens:
Some people say it looks better to them. It honestly seemed like a fad to me.

Sat, Nov 16, 9:35 AM · VDG

Tue, Nov 12

joricke added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but even on that screen there's three mentions of "Application Style" that imply the decoration of the entire window. It's just a mass of redundancy and confusing naming all over again. Can we not declutter this? And coming back to a discussion on the evolution of breeze: dial back the usage of styled frames?

Tue, Nov 12, 10:29 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
joricke added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

I'm not sure the redundancy of information is a good thing, to be honest.

Tue, Nov 12, 10:07 PM · KDE Applications, VDG
joricke added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

I don't think we should allow applications to "brand" themselves

Tue, Nov 12, 9:03 AM · KDE Applications, VDG
joricke added a comment to T10201: Window titlebars.

On the topic of titlebars and their colors: what is the general consensus of having applications be able to set their own colors for titlebars? This would allow developers to establish a more "in brand" visual appearance (see screenshot attached). I'm currently working on a window decoration that lets users set per-window settings for titlebars. If users want, it'll also draw a separator underneath the titlebar by using the titlebar color and then applying a .lighter(n) filter to it to dark it considerably. This makes for a very smooth and fitting insert which still lets the user decide on what color-scheme they would like to use. Even when the titlebar area is extended to include the toolbox like in this mockup https://phabricator.kde.org/T10201#186877 it'll still look gorgeous. Readability of the icons can be ensured by doing simple lightness checks on the background color and then applying either white or black icon sets. I'm already doing this for the text in the titlebar and the inactive window buttons.

Tue, Nov 12, 7:55 AM · KDE Applications, VDG

Mon, Nov 11

joricke added a comment to T10827: Website redesign.

Got it 👍

Mon, Nov 11, 12:10 PM · Goal: All About the Apps, Goal: Consistency, Websites
joricke added a comment to T10827: Website redesign.

One thing I noticed while browsing the re-design candidates: many websites showcase screenshots with features that don't exist anymore. Case in point: the Konsole website shows the old split-tab feature that doesn't work on current builds.
Then there are some applications like Okular using screenshots from KDE3 which is just confusing to viewers.

Mon, Nov 11, 8:46 AM · Goal: All About the Apps, Goal: Consistency, Websites
joricke added a comment to T11979: KDE neon's Welcome Screen.

The installation process part is already taken care of by most (if not all) distributions in one way or another though, see https://phabricator.kde.org/T11979#207050 and in my opinion it's the most sensible way to nag users when they set up their system, as the installer requires input by them on partioning and other settings anyway.

Mon, Nov 11, 8:26 AM · VDG

Nov 10 2019

joricke added a comment to T11979: KDE neon's Welcome Screen.

If something like that is going to be used, it would be good if the user could click _anywhere else_ to dismiss this window.

Nov 10 2019, 7:29 PM · VDG

Nov 9 2019

joricke added a comment to T11814: Breeze Icon Theme Homepage.

Why though?

Nov 9 2019, 8:11 PM · VDG, Websites, Breeze
joricke added a watcher for Websites: joricke.
Nov 9 2019, 8:08 PM

Nov 8 2019

joricke added a comment to T11979: KDE neon's Welcome Screen.

Interesting, I was thinking about something like that as well to create an easy on-boarding experience for users that only have experience with other operating systems (in particular Windows and macOS). The less time users have to spend to figure out new interfaces, the sooner they can get work done/enjoy the system, which in my opinion is a great quality of life improvement.

Nov 8 2019, 8:20 AM · VDG

Nov 6 2019

joricke added a comment to T9586: Publish Falkon in the Microsoft Store.

Thanks. That's a good starting point as QML is pretty easy to pick up for anyone who knows JavaScript in my opinion. I'll poke around that example.

Nov 6 2019, 11:22 PM · Falkon, Windows
joricke added a comment to T9586: Publish Falkon in the Microsoft Store.

And QML plugins can be packaged and hot swapped on a compiled browser?

Nov 6 2019, 11:15 PM · Falkon, Windows
joricke added a comment to T9586: Publish Falkon in the Microsoft Store.

To close off the rant about the workflow on KDE: it's not that there's many tools, it's that there's so many different tools that all use different logins. For the bug tracker I don't need a KDE identity account, for Phabricator I do. Why keep the bug tracker seperate from the projects? Makes no sense, as you're missing overview this way.

Nov 6 2019, 11:09 PM · Falkon, Windows
joricke added a comment to T9586: Publish Falkon in the Microsoft Store.

It is using Qt for Python (PySide2 and Shiboken2) which are official parts of Qt.

Okay, that makes sense.

Nov 6 2019, 12:28 PM · Falkon, Windows
joricke added a comment to T9586: Publish Falkon in the Microsoft Store.

Disclaimer: I haven't looked at the Falkon source yet, so excuse me if I ask things that should be obvious from knowing the source.

Nov 6 2019, 11:52 AM · Falkon, Windows
joricke added a comment to T11979: KDE neon's Welcome Screen.

It's a distributions job to get users up to snuff with the desktop environment during the installation phase. See for example openSUSE's installation or Ubuntu's background installation part which shows users a slideshow of things they can do and expect from their new desktop.

Nov 6 2019, 11:33 AM · VDG
joricke added a comment to T9586: Publish Falkon in the Microsoft Store.

I like Falkon but it's not ready to be shipped anywhere and needs a good amount of polish.

Nov 6 2019, 11:03 AM · Falkon, Windows

Nov 3 2019

joricke added a comment to T11679: Create a designed version of kde.org/applications .

Sure, why not. I'm not sure how much time I can dedicate to this though as I'm quite packed.

Nov 3 2019, 9:02 PM · VDG, Websites, Goal: All About the Apps

Nov 1 2019

joricke added a comment to T11679: Create a designed version of kde.org/applications .

Increased difficulty, maybe yes, but also increased "wow" effect for users when done right. In terms of getting SEO to properly work with SPAs and VueJS in particular, maybe check out https://dzone.com/articles/how-to-make-vuejs-website-seo-friendly
I have quite a bit of experience with VueJS, vue-router and vuex and never did I have serious issues with SEO thanks to methods described in the linked article. In my opionion it's definitely worth investigating.

Nov 1 2019, 10:12 PM · VDG, Websites, Goal: All About the Apps
joricke added a comment to T11679: Create a designed version of kde.org/applications .

Just a quick idea: how about recreating the Discover interface as a SPA and using that for kde.org/applications?

Nov 1 2019, 7:18 PM · VDG, Websites, Goal: All About the Apps