In T9041#209032, @manueljlin wrote:In T9041#209021, @ngraham wrote:the second one is good, but let's use a real search field in the toolbar, not a fake invisible borderless one. :)
Also maybe the bottom bar with the power/session buttons should span the full width of the window.
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Nov 19 2019
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In T9041#209021, @ngraham wrote:In T9041#209020, @manueljlin wrote:the second one is good, but let's use a real search field in the toolbar, not a fake invisible borderless one. :)
Also maybe the bottom bar with the power/session buttons should span the full width of the window.
Also, shall we maybe add a new task to discuss these proposed changes to SimpleMenu? Or are these proposals still for Kickoff?
In T9041#209018, @ngraham wrote:In T9041#209016, @KonqiDragon wrote:I would move the search field back to the top and put the row of power/session buttons back at the bottom, now that there's no problem with a tab nar nearby to make the clicks risky.
In T9041#209013, @manueljlin wrote:
Is a search of category?
That's basically the "All Apps" page. If the home page looks like that, then we don't need the "All Apps" page.
This does make some sense though. If we add favorites as the default category on the apps page, then we can use that as the home page. Recent apps could simply be another category there too. And I happen to know that the model supports showing recent documents in yet another category.
So maybe we should just do that.
In T9041#209007, @pedrogomes1698 wrote:
In T9041#209002, @manueljlin wrote:In T9041#208702, @ngraham wrote:In T9041#208677, @manueljlin wrote:alternating stripey backgrounds colors are only used for multi-column lists, because they help you visually align the data for a particular item in the other columns. For single-column lists, we don't need to use alternating background colors.
also, should the tabs have the line over the text like the other mockups or over the text like D25334?
Like in D25334. Thanks!
1x only because the image is huge
Nov 17 2019
Nov 17 2019
In T9041#208654, @ngraham wrote:I agree, and I also like SimpleMenu quite a bit. It seems that people are settling on having a the main page display list or grid of apps, with a category chooser to narrow down the set, and a subset of the power/session actions visible right there.
I would be quite in favor of simply using SimpleMenu instead, with a small number of tweaks to make it suitable as a general-purpose Kickoff replacement:
- Use the sliding popups effect to show and hide
- Scroll long grids rather than having discrete pages
- Show favorite apps and recently-used apps and documents
- Make the row of icons-only power/session buttons into a 2x2 grid with text beneath the icons
I actually started working on a fork of SimpleMenu with some of the above changes in an attempt to make something upstream friendly: https://cgit.kde.org/scratch/ngraham/supermenu.git/
But I kind of forgot about it and stopped work more than a year ago. :/
First of all, I think that the default Application Menu in Plasma is very wierd and uncomfortable.
I think we should look at the other aplication menus.
Plasma Default Application Menu:
I dont like this.
Simple Menu:
This is my favorite Application Menu, There's a Search, Categories (even "All"), Grid of Applications with big icons and Shotdown, Lock etc. buttons, it's all in one place :)
Windows 10 Menu:
Brand new Windows 10 Menu: (WIP)
Elementary OS Apps Menu:
It looks like Simple Menu for Plasma, but categories only on second button.
XFCE Menu:
It's simple and convenient, but it doesn't looks modern.
Linux Mint (Cinnamon) Menu:
Reminds me a XFCE Menu, but in the left have place for Favorites Applications and Shotdown.
Zorin OS Menu:
Deepin Menu:
Nov 16 2019
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Is it possible to make the selection of system tray visually more cleary?
On this screenshot i see that opened the "Status and Notifications" tray popup, but it looks like that selected all in the system tray.
Something like this looks better and clearer.
In T11925#208380, @ngraham wrote:In T11925#208340, @KonqiDragon wrote:It's really looks very ugly :(
"It" is not very descriptive. What looks ugly to you in the above screenshot?
Nov 15 2019
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In T11925#208334, @niccolove wrote:You mean the lighter bottom?
Yes.
It's a bug of the blur effect. I talked to Vlad in the VDG chat about it, but it seemed that it didn't lead anywhere. I think that it's really important to fix it, it's quite ugly.
- By the way, this is also about Breeze dark:
In T11925#208329, @niccolove wrote:In T11925#208257, @ngraham wrote:Those screenshots look pretty good to me. I might prefer a liiiiiiitle bit less of the background showing through, like maybe only 0.25, not 0.3. But it looks good, I'll admit.
.25 (using the shadows from the other patch, btw):
But I would suggest that you try it yourself on an actual machine. The screenshots (unless you display them fullscreen, I guess) make the effect appear stronger than it actually is. If you go ahead and try even contrast=0.4 out, you will see that it's not that crazy at all, and really pretty. Also, if you don't want the background to show less, I think that could also be helped by having a stronger blur, which will make the blurred area look like they are simply a gradient opaque background rather than the background showing through. Right now I'm using the highest blur that the desktop effect setting allows me, but there should be a way to change the maximum value. Finally, it's also possible to lower the saturation desktop effect to avoid giving the idea of desktop effect showing through.
Also keep in mind that the text color is global. Last time I increased the darkness of the text, people complained that the contrast would be too stark for apps that have text over a white/off-white background, such as document readers. Now history has proven them wrong since I have not seen a single complaint about the change (to the contrary, I have received multiple comments to the effect that it was a positive change) since it was done almost two years ago IIRC, but it's something that will come up if we propose making the text pure black.
I think that the fact that users did not complain shows that's not a problem to make the text black. Alternatively, the text could made to something like #131416.
The contrast effect is user-configurable
Is it? I'm unable to change it via SySe, only by editing the desktop theme metadata file.
Oh, by the way, keep in mind that a .2 => .25 change is similiar to changing the transparency from 10% to 12.5%, which is just slightly noticeable. I'm more a fan of .3/.4, but most users won't even notice moving to .25.
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In T11979#207570, @ngraham wrote:In T11979#207460, @niccolove wrote:I'd like to propose a very simple Since having an entire window at first boot could be annoying, what about a simple permanent notification? It's way less annoying to close than an entire window, but it would still be very noticeable to new users. The notification could have two buttons to open the installer or dismiss the notification (if the notification close button isn't enough).
macOS does this. IMO it's pretty annoying, but that might just be because of how many times I've had to get rid of them for the hundreds if not thousands of macOS systems I've set up in my lifetime. :p
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I like A.
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In T11925#206263, @niccolove wrote:Uhm, I disagree with that :-/ I think that even with very low opacities but strong blurs, all the information (icons and taxt) are correctly displayed with no problem in legibility. Here's an example with small elements (notifications) and strong blur, which in theory should be quite similiar to tinting (but without saturation/hue/brightness adjustments). You can see the color based on the wallpaper but still get all the information.
Even on dark wallpapers:
Text legibility is between 11-16 as per contrast-ratio.com, so good at any fontsize. And this is almost double the transparency/tinting that I'm proposing, so it would be even less noticeable.
At this point I think we will not agree on this topic, so I'll let other people give their opinions.
Oct 28 2019
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Could add the more appropriate icons for categories?
Oct 25 2019
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In T11714#202597, @ognarb wrote:
Oct 24 2019
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Could you add a rounded corners?
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Is it possible to make a smooth effect animation? Like in sidebar.
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In T9589#203883, @ognarb wrote:@KonqiDragon Please be respectful (see kde Code of Conduct), these games are maybe for you 'not necessary', but fellow KDE contributors put a lot of time in it and you should respect their work. Please stop calling apps that you like or use unnecessary, this is already the second time https://phabricator.kde.org/T11335#195583
Moreover, I don't think that these apps won't get any success, see this reddit comment.
In T9589#203860, @cullmann wrote:?
Why sould do that? These games are not necessary.
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In T9575#203628, @cullmann wrote:
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Why KDE Applications on Windows not looks in Breeze style? Would kool to make unify Breeze style of KDE Applications in Windows, how it's made in Spotify, just make the Breeze theme as default in the KDE Applications on Windows, for example Krita has own theme on Windows, Linux and macOS.
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In T11074#203509, @chempfling wrote:In T11074#203505, @KonqiDragon wrote:I before wrote (T11220: Format option) about a simplified USB formating option, when you can will easily format the USB drive from File manager like in Windows, Linux Mint and Deepin.
I don't know if this could be a priority as part of the user experience simplification, but when I first tried the Linux, i couldn't understand how to format my flash drive, so it's important to me personally.Sounds great, but maybe the wrong threat? i cannot bring flash formatting and accessibility together in my mint somehow. Maybe can you explain?
I before wrote (T11220: Format option) about a simplified USB formating option, when you can will easily format the USB drive from File manager like in Windows, Linux Mint and Deepin.
I don't know if this could be a priority as part of the user experience simplification, but when I first tried the Linux, i couldn't understand how to format my flash drive, so it's important to me personally.
Oct 2 2019
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In T11714#203285, @ognarb wrote:I played a bit with the application list and I tried including a screenshot of the apps. See https://kde.carlschwan.eu
One problem is that some screenshots contains white border
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In T11805#203232, @ngraham wrote:This should be a Bugzilla ticket in Breeze | Icons. Thanks!
Also, maybe you'd like to try your hand at it and submit the new icon? :)
• ghost34 added a comment to T10799: Update outdated artwork, branding, logos, colors and screenshots.
There is a old logo of KDE https://kdenlive.org/en/about/
In T11714#202597, @ognarb wrote:
In T11714#202597, @ognarb wrote:
Sep 27 2019
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Add a https://www.kdevelop.org to redesign list, it looks like a KDE style but it's have a differents from https://konsole.kde.org and https://choqok.kde.org, it would also be cool to provide in Download snap and flatpak links.
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• ghost34 added a comment to D22359: Revert "[showdesktop][minimizeall] Reduce the maximum panel icon size".
In D22359#536066, @ngraham wrote:In D22359#536064, @KonqiDragon wrote:In D22359#536063, @ngraham wrote:In D22359#536057, @ndavis wrote:In D22359#536055, @ngraham wrote:Is there any way we can preserve the original goal of using a monochrome icon here for small sizes?
Yes, it is already done. Lower the panel icon size to 16 or 22 px.
That doesn't help the huge fraction of people who never touch the default settings though. What's especially silly IMO is that the default panel height is 36px, at which size everything with a colorful icon version gets the colorful version... but if you reduce the panel height just one tick to 34px, the icons get smaller and everything becomes monochrome and it all looks great.
I feel like we should either slightly reduce the default height of the panel to 34px, or change its icon sizing logic so that the threshold for everything turning colorful happens at some size that's greater than 36px.
Why the Notifications, Volume, Network, etc. icons are monochrome, but "Show desktop" and "Minimize all" icons is hard to make a monochrome?
Those are in the System Tray, which always shows monochrome icons. Show Desktop is a standalone widget, which has logic to switch its icon between monochrome and colorful icons depending on the size of the container that the icon is inside.
• ghost34 added a comment to D22359: Revert "[showdesktop][minimizeall] Reduce the maximum panel icon size".
In D22359#536063, @ngraham wrote:In D22359#536057, @ndavis wrote:In D22359#536055, @ngraham wrote:Is there any way we can preserve the original goal of using a monochrome icon here for small sizes?
Yes, it is already done. Lower the panel icon size to 16 or 22 px.
That doesn't help the huge fraction of people who never touch the default settings though. What's especially silly IMO is that the default panel height is 36px, at which size everything with a colorful icon version gets the colorful version... but if you reduce the panel height just one tick to 34px, the icons get smaller and everything becomes monochrome and it all looks great.
I feel like we should either slightly reduce the default height of the panel to 34px, or change its icon sizing logic so that the threshold for everything turning colorful happens at some size that's greater than 36px.
• ghost34 added a comment to D22359: Revert "[showdesktop][minimizeall] Reduce the maximum panel icon size".
I really don't like that in the Plasma 5.17 Beta you returned a colored icon, when in Plasma 5.16 you added a monochrome icon i was glad. I don't like this regression. We need to talk with Goal: Consistency and VDG about how to return and make a monochrome icon better.
Sep 21 2019
Sep 21 2019
In T11579#201778, @Leon0402 wrote:@ngraham I hope I understand you correctly. Your problem is that the actual sidebar or the side view, which comes if you click on the sidebar, takes width as well ... and therefore you don't want to waste more width, right?
What do you think of modifying the condition:
horizontal: (windows.width - sidebar.width - sideview.width) >= windows.height
vertical: (windows.width - sidebar.width - sideview.width) < windows.heightThis calculation would take into account the width problem and would show the vertical mode faster if there is not enough width.
Here is a first test run, although I just used 300px for "sidebar.width + sideview.width".
Obviously we should start settings min width and heights for the window ... sure you could also start and switch in some size to "icon only" ... but at some point, there should be a stop ... the application doesn't have to run in a 2px x 2px window.
Sep 19 2019
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A new icon hasn't been made yet D12992
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Sep 18 2019
I think instead of "Use Plasma to surf the web; keep in touch with colleagues, friends and family; manage your files, enjoy music and videos; and get creative and productive at work. Do it all in a beautiful environment that adapts to your needs, and with the safety, privacy-protection and peace of mind that the best Free Open Source Software has to offer." Need to make like in Zorin OS site "Your computer. + switching text"
In T9578#201288, @ognarb wrote:This is the choice of the maintainer, KDE isn't an dictature VDG can't change the brand of an application, without the approval of the maintainer. In the current state the okular breeze icon don't respect the hig.
When creating a Breeze theme version of an existing app’s icon, is critically important that the icon’s existing brand and visual style be preserved.
Anyway this is offtopic, this task is about bringing Okular to Windows.
In T9578#201234, @aacid wrote:Yes i would prefer if we use the okular icon that is in the okular repository that was decided by the okular developers to be the okular icon.
https://github.com/KDE/okular/blob/master/ui/data/icons/128-apps-okular.png
Sep 17 2019
Sep 17 2019
Please, use Breeze icon of Okular.
https://github.com/KDE/breeze-icons/blob/master/icons/apps/48/okular.svg
Can you update Kate icon to actual (Breeze style) in Microsoft Store?
https://github.com/KDE/breeze-icons/blob/master/icons/apps/48/kate.svg
How about adding a language switch to redesigned sites?
Aug 27 2019
Aug 27 2019
In T3147#196804, @rempt wrote:Konquidragon, if you don't stop telling people what to in such a very rude and peremptory way, I'm going to have to ask you to stay away from the krita community.
In T3147#196753, @scottpetrovic wrote:I made a few updates. I think this is getting closer.
https://dev.krita.org/en/features/highlights
Let me know if there is anything else that might improve this.
Aug 24 2019
Aug 24 2019
In T11243#196426, @ognarb wrote:No because the code is not open source.
Could you provide the code for this functionality (without any dependencies to JQuery or another big js framework)?
Can you copy the inspect code from here?
Aug 23 2019
Aug 23 2019
In T11243#196139, @ognarb wrote:I updated the diff with all the content and more screenshots. the new preview link is https://kde.carlschwan.eu/plasma-desktop
Aug 22 2019
Aug 22 2019
In T3147#196126, @scottpetrovic wrote:I have been starting to make some changes to this page on the dev site for testing.
https://dev.krita.org/en/features/highlights/
Does anyone have any further ideas on ways to improve this?
The only thing I am planning on doing now is making the interface and animation images into some type of animated gif/video.
In T3147#196202, @woltherav wrote:Again, @KonqiDragon, will you provide these animated files for us, or are you just gonna use the imperative voice on everything?
In T3147#196126, @scottpetrovic wrote:I have been starting to make some changes to this page on the dev site for testing.
https://dev.krita.org/en/features/highlights/
Does anyone have any further ideas on ways to improve this?
The only thing I am planning on doing now is making the interface and animation images into some type of animated gif/video.
Aug 19 2019
Aug 19 2019
Maybe do it like in Flameshot? It is much more convenient and faster that mini GIMP.
Aug 16 2019
Aug 16 2019
• ghost34 added subtasks for T10827: Website redesign: T11402: Gallery Update, T11413: Update Features/Highlights page.
• ghost34 added a parent task for T11413: Update Features/Highlights page: T10827: Website redesign.
How to make redesign of KDE Store if it is based on opendesktop.org? There you can only change the pictures.
Need to update share.krita.org too.
Aug 15 2019
Aug 15 2019
In T11335#195587, @tleupold wrote:@KonqiDragon: Seems like you never used KPA (or thought about what you're writing here). It's not "old", it's actively developed and up-to-date. And it serves a complete different purpose than Gwenview. Gwenview is a viewer, KPA is a tagging and archiving program. Don't compare apples and oranges.
Why do KDE need to support the old KPhotoAlbum when we have a modern Gwenview? Let's just stop supporting KPhotoAlbum.
In T11346#194726, @scottpetrovic wrote:Here is a potential idea for how we can do this. I think the community competition might be a little ways off. When it comes time to implement this, we could do the news section first on the left side and leave the community stuff as-is. Once we get the community competitions going we can start working more on the updated welcome screen integration with it.
Let me know if there are any issues or things that we need to include.
In T11402#195524, @scottpetrovic wrote:This sounds like a potential sub-task to a larger discussion with the monthly art challenge stuff. We need to do a bit more discussion on what that is going to look like, or who is going to have time to manage it. There might be a task already for that, but I cannot find one at the moment.
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• ghost34 added a comment to D22742: Show about distro KCM in System Settings' System Administration category.
Can add a GPU information in Hardware?
Aug 1 2019
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App pages:
Maybe make a app pages with homepages style like in Konsole? Where everything will be written about this programs.
Jul 31 2019
Jul 31 2019
In T11300#193554, @xyquadrat wrote:I agree with @niccolove that we should not rename a project without strong reasons to do so, because tutorials, docs and a lot of other things would suddenly be outdated and not easy to find anymore.
Therefore I don't think renaming Kdenlive or Gwenview is a good idea. KCalc / Kalculator would be fine as there isn't too much information online, but again, renaming programs does always require a non-trivial amount of work to be done (renaming internal functions, changing Bugzilla products, etc.).
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In T10997#191724, @ndavis wrote:In T10997#191697, @mglb wrote:Another problem I see with the dotted line is that it looks more like it's saying the checkbox is disabled.