In T8187#244941, @ngraham wrote:

It's a moot point as if we change the default, we can easily keep the current/old behavior for existing users and only apply the new defaults for new installs.

In T8187#244717, @ognarb wrote:

Please watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8SI6AEwMnQ&t=8886s. Breaking the workflow of existing users is not ok, even if those are long time plasma users and more advanced (whatever this means).

@ognarb I think it is reasonable to make it so people who currently like single can keep it and that is should be how it is for them.

Your point about the QWERTY keyboard is a great example of usability through user expectation.

KDE frustrates me. KDE makes the most powerful and technologically valuable DE on Linux yet it's not used by the vast majority of Linux users. Why is that? Well to me the reason is obvious, KDE makes a three-year goal to improve onboarding and ignores all of the problems with onboarding of Plasma. The process to switch to Plasma should be painless and frictionless but instead it is notoriously known as being overwhelming and confusing.

It's exactly what Cinnamon does.

In response to the original idea, I would prefer that not happen because it hurts one feature to benefit another. However with that said, the mockups posted by @alex-l are fantastic! These are great design concepts and does a very nice mix of Activities, Virtual Desktops and Present Windows and I would love to see something like this happen. I do worry that the Present Windows becomes a secondary value rather than the primary but its a great overall design concept.

I think organizing various related things into a single place to manage it all would be best.

As I mentioned in T10568 we need IMHO better discoverability not yet another global shortcut.

1. Screen Real Estate optimization.
   • it saves vertical space especially on maximized windows that you are isolating anyway because its maximized
   • it makes the quick tiling functions better because it allows for windows to use the space more effieciently.
2. Its a nice feature for gamers because Fullscreen Gaming can sometimes be an issue for some games especially via Proton layers.
   • Removing the border allows you to put a game in Windowed Mode and then maximize it for a Faux-Fullscreen experience so it performs as if it was in Windowed Mode but looks like fullscreen.

The function should be called "Hide/Show Window Borders" but it's called "No Borders" which is fairly awkward.

Here is my follow up to why this should be done since this was denied for a silly reason (typical for KDE in my experience) [reason: 'what could be done' somewhere else]

sadly desktop email has been a sore spot on Linux for a long time. I think Thunderbird is likely the best of the current options for Kubuntu to include.

Always exciting to see KDE willing to polish the small things.

looks like the Bug was denied without considering it fully so please those on this task, reply with a comment to back me up :D

In T10573#208722, @thiagosueto wrote:

disable the desktop pager from the panel because it's not doing anything anyway by default.

If you're a casual user who doesn't care about workspaces, you don't notice that the pager is there and it won't disturb the user

In T12170#210392, @joselema wrote:

I guess by "splash screen" you mean the one provided by plymouth (plasma provides its own).

In T10567#208723, @thiagosueto wrote:

This is generally a mix of MATE and GNOME, yes?

In T10568#208789, @GB_2 wrote:

Can you make a bug report and close this task then?

I think it should totally be a upstream Plasma thing 🗡

@rikmills

1. I don't think 4 is a lot. I think it is a good number for productivity and also looks great in a grid view.
2. this might be an unpopular opinion but I think the pager in the panel should not even be there. It should be removed entirely.
   • yes, with more than 2 it's pretty bad, it effectively becomes worthless especially if you have multiple monitors.
     • so when someone does increase it more than 2 . . . they have to manually remove it, or ignore it, anyway.
   • instead Kubuntu should ship a button that simply activates the Desktop Grid. (just a simple kwin command, here's a demo)
     • there is an icon already available to do this in the Breeze icons as well so no extra work there.

I don't know what the technical hurdles would be but I do think it would be a good option as an alternative. The Simple Menu is one of the best alternative menus in the KDE Store so I think it would be beneficial to have it included as an option in Kubuntu.

In T10573#186622, @ngraham wrote:

In T10573#186574, @michaeltunnell wrote:

In T10573#185558, @ericadams wrote:

Also, @michaeltunnell suggests using Meta + D but I see that in Plasma 5.16 they are assigning that as the default for Show Desktop. Not sure that matters but figured I'd mention it.

Well that is certainly annoying because it took them so long to do something that has been in Windows for over a decade but alright. Meta+Alt+D then 😃

If you saw the kind of pushback I sometimes get when I submit patches for things like this, you'd be happy they wind up getting done at all rather than annoyed that they took so long. :)

In T10573#185558, @ericadams wrote:

I personally don't want them stacked vertically as I prefer a 2x2 grid but I would be fine with changing it if the default was something else.

I agree that the Desktop Toolbox is something I always remove on a new install of Plasma, it serves very little purpose. Everything that is in it that isn't on the right click menu could be added like "Refresh Desktop" making that experience better.

this is great! I would add a large version of the dingo in the background blended with the dark red/purple colors to give it an extra depth effect but this looks quite good as is.

I edited the original comment to add Super+Tab and Super+Shift+Tab option for desktop switching because Activities are rather pointless to be taking of space for such a valuable shortcut.

In T7928#172188, @raddison wrote:

What's the point of so much text?

In T7928#170246, @clel wrote:

Do you have a source that the goal of Plasma default is to resemble the Windows look and feel?

In T7928#170232, @clel wrote:

Google Drive uses double click in their web app, probably because they think users are used to double click in file management context. They seem to be alone with that approch, though.

I think this is a good idea overall but I would like to point out that by switching to Calamares the minimal install option would be lost. I think a lot of people are fans of that feature so if it can be reimplemented in Calamares prior to official switch I think that would be a good idea.

In T9965#165914, @ngraham wrote:

In T9965#165913, @michaeltunnell wrote:

If not, then another option could be to make the warning message in Dolphin not so absurdly technical and instead explain what packages need to be installed for it to work.

That's something we should do anyway. Can you file a bug on bugs.kde.org and preferably attach a screenshot depicting the current error message? I'm semi-familiar with the code in question and may be able to offer up a quick fix.

Due to Microsoft joining the OIN it might be possible for exfat support to be included in a future release. Once Canonical Legal addresses this then I think it would be good to add.

New user friendliness: double-click must be learned

possible items to use in the 5.14 release video:

In T8747#158919, @duffus wrote:

I think uploading them to peertube sounds like a good idea. How would the Akademy Team do this when they are ready? I assume having them already there for the announcement would be good.

is this exclusive to thumbnails? I am curious if this file detection could be used for offering a dialog to give execution permissions rather than the "open with" dialog.

This is great! This is pretty much exactly what I originally suggested and yet has some tweaks to make it even better. Thanks for doing this. :) 👍

Steam, Discord, Spotify, many Email Clients, many torrent clients, VPN clients, Twitter Clients, and many more close to the system tray as a default function.

This task is not relevant to Kubuntu or KDE at all. If you want to make a request like this please submit it to the proper project. Kubuntu doesn't use ubuntu-report and KDE does not have any connection to what Ubuntu does or not.

Thank you so much Lucas!

confirming my involvement in the release video production

@raddison Breeze and Breeze Dark both have glaring issues making the default of either as a negative. The Hybrid approach addresses the issues of both sides without suffering from the faults of either, that makes the Hybrid design the better option to be default.

I originally suggested this change to Kubuntu and I would also suggest this to KDE and VDG.

I think the experiment of single-click by default has had enough time that if it were to have changed the expectations of users then it would have already done it.

Here are some references throughout the years of people complaining about the default not being double-click. This is not an exhaustive list but the intent here is to show how often it comes up and how long it has been a paper cut for so many.

Every time we talk about changing some default I keep coming back to you can please everyone so why not just ask on their first login.. Yes our Look and Feel should be updated and easier to understand and maybe that is part of the solution for some of these default discussion we keep having.

@ngraham laptop trackpads would be fine if tap-to-click was enabled by default. That's what most people expect anyway.
Mobile is important and Plasma Mobile should totally have single-click but I agree with @abetts that it would be ideal if it adjusted based on device.
I hadn't thought of the dialog functionality being opposite of the default thus being unintuitive. Good point.

@raddison this change is not in relation to what is or is not better in overall usage, instead this relates to what is expected. If a user wants to have single-click activation then that is great and they can go into the settings and change it. The issue is a vast majority of people expect it to be double-click and that is why it should be default. It should be default because making people deal with customizing on the first day is a bad idea for on-boarding of users.

I think the spinning icon already in the iconset is a reasonable solution to this issue. Here is a video demonstrating the current available icons that could replace the Launch Feedback default, https://youtu.be/uYSNixVdYDE

Valorie this suggestion is for Ctrl+H not Alt+H.

created an upstream bug for this item: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390527

FWIW just to mention ist: single-click is consistent with the webpage/app behaviour and webapp/pages get more and more common.

A discussion about sharing security vulernabilities on the @kdecommunity Twitter account from the #kde-promo IRC/Telegram.

Agreed in regards to the selection markers. There are times people have asked me what those even do so since they aren't very intuitive anyway it makes sense to disable them with double click

I agree with this task for the above reasons and to add onto the selecting issue. A ton of people are unaware of the Ctrl+click option for selecting so it just creates frustrations. This would be a good step to alleviate some new user frustration.

This would be great for Windows to Kubuntu switchers. I don't use show desktop at all but I do know a lot of people who like it.

References: 5.12 Note & 5.11.95 Announcement

In T7663#122405, @ltoscano wrote:

Even if it has a slightly different use case than the forum, they share the same issue: the number of people able to answer. This is not to say that it can't be done, but the I think that adding more services with the same amount of people looking at them (mailing lists, forums and IM(IRC/Matrix.Telegram)) may not scale properly.

There doesn't appear to be any Krita site like that. It looks like it was discussed a couple of years ago on the Forum but doesn't appear it was ever made. - https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=288&t=125575

Maybe we can set up video-conference with you during the event. Would you like to do that? It would be a bit pointless not to have the main video creator not in on the action.

Are you located in the US? We are organising a Promo sprint in Barcelona in February... Do you think you could come?