In T10243#235550, @alex-l wrote:

Mozilla, GNOME

In T13158#233081, @ndavis wrote:

@churaev Please don't derail the discussion.

In T13158#232973, @ndavis wrote:

I think I agree with the general idea, but it's a bit hard to fully grasp the scope of what must be done and I'm not sure what our first steps should be.

Deleted rant... here's how I wish the default panel looked (fake screenshot made in Inkscape):

Some testing and comparison with Microsoft® Windows® 10:

Thoughts: Task manager: icon-only. Panel: horizontal.

Some issues with QML on the desktop I've observed:

In D24318#541839, @ndavis wrote:

How about this?

document-save.svg1 KBDownload

Fixed both issues, also hope it's OK to add an extra link at this point in time.

That's all. Moved myself to "willing to work on this", since I've been thinking about a better alternative to KSysGuard for quite some time now (the current one doesn't extract nearly as much as I'd like), that'll probably be more like "truth extractor" than "guard"... Might prove to be too ambitious for me, but if I get a prototype done, I'll post here.

Shouldn't it be "Newest First" instead of "Newest first", to be consistent with other menu items (i.e. "Folders First", etc.)?

Let's also speak about the "gameplay" of desktop free software a bit...

@lydia Yes, exactly! But it also about providing the environment where people can learn everything they need for that naturally, gradually, and smoothly, and where doing it is actually fun for as many people as possible! Imagine for a moment that free software became a proprietary game (nourished by DRM) - it would be either universally panned by critics for its tutorial system, or regarded as a niche hardcore game. Then this goal would be to turn FOSS development into an "easy to learn, hard to master" type of a game.

@mart, it looks like mental blocks are preventing you from understanding the goal... Honestly, I fully expected it to be misunderstood, after all it's probably psychologically difficult to even think about, because all of what I proposed for the goal is so obvious and would be just so good for free software, but will likely prove impossible to implement in practice. More info on that in this comment.

@ervin thank you! I didn't think anybody would notice this and actually reply...