IMHO it's of critical importance that the landing page have a link to the page where new contributors can get involved, which right now is https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved

This is of great importance to T7116: Streamlined onboarding of new contributors. We want to make it as easy as possible for people to find that page. Ideally it should be visible without having to click on or mouse over anything first.

Another link to have is to a page with international websites (currently it is https://www.kde.org/support/international.php).

Some of those aren't active any more. Currently, we plan to recover kde.ru to serve as a landing page for the Russian-speaking community.

In T8162#131854, @ngraham wrote:

IMHO it's of critical importance that the landing page have a link to the page where new contributors can get involved, which right now is https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved

This is of great importance to T7116: Streamlined onboarding of new contributors. We want to make it as easy as possible for people to find that page. Ideally it should be visible without having to click on or mouse over anything first.

Yes, that would be what the "Contributor" link links to. Changed wording to make it clear.

In T8162#131858, @IlyaBizyaev wrote:

Another link to have is to a page with international websites (currently it is https://www.kde.org/support/international.php).

Some of those aren't active any more. Currently, we plan to recover kde.ru to serve as a landing page for the Russian-speaking community.

Good point. KDE España also, a very active group. KDE US? What heading should that go under, "Community", right?

In T8162#131854, @ngraham wrote:

IMHO it's of critical importance that the landing page have a link to the page where new contributors can get involved, which right now is https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved

This is of great importance to T7116: Streamlined onboarding of new contributors. We want to make it as easy as possible for people to find that page. Ideally it should be visible without having to click on or mouse over anything first.

I would add this to the main menu - a "Get Involved" link, maybe between "News" and "About".

Something like:

• Get Involved
  • Become a Contributor - maybe a link to the wiki, or other page designated for this
  • How to Donate - a page that describes all the ways to donate, could also contain links to fundraisers when they're active

EDIT: Also, should we have a separate Contact Us/Follow Us page, or do we just put all our social media links into the footer, and keep the contact email addresses in the Press section?

In T8162#131863, @skadinna wrote:

In T8162#131854, @ngraham wrote:

IMHO it's of critical importance that the landing page have a link to the page where new contributors can get involved, which right now is https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved

This is of great importance to T7116: Streamlined onboarding of new contributors. We want to make it as easy as possible for people to find that page. Ideally it should be visible without having to click on or mouse over anything first.

I would add this to the main menu - a "Get Involved" link, maybe between "News" and "About".

Something like:

• Get Involved
  • Become a Contributor - maybe a link to the wiki, or other page designated for this
  • How to Donate - a page that describes all the ways to donate, could also contain links to fundraisers when they're active

Yes, I would be strongly in favor of adding a Get Involved entry to the top-level navigation that's visible on all pages. We don't want to hide this.

@paulb Yes, probably to "Community". And I would reorder "KDE e.v." and "Community" in "About".

Absolutely agreed with @skadinna, the "Get involved" link has to be really visible, top-level...

Agreed. @skadinna, do you want to take over and make the changes? I have to take a break.

Also, the businesses link probably needs more work.

Added the "Get Involved" link. I also included "Events" under it, but feel free to let me know if this should be (re)moved.

EDIT: AH! We don't have a "Support / Get Help" page or link, do we need one?

Maybe we could have a just a simple page that directs people to places where we want them to report bugs? We could also use it to explain that for problems with a specific app, they should look at that project's website/IRC channel. Or if we want people to ask questions on forums, direct them there...

Do we want to list planet.kde.org under News?

In T8162#131872, @ngraham wrote:

Do we want to list planet.kde.org under News?

I would include it. Don't forget there's also blogs.kde.org, though...

In T8162#131873, @skadinna wrote:

In T8162#131872, @ngraham wrote:

Do we want to list planet.kde.org under News?

I would include it. Don't forget there's also blogs.kde.org, though...

I thought that was semi-deprecated? If it's not, IMHO, it should be. We don't want messaging to be too diluted. Is there any chance we could move over everything there to either dot.kde.org or planet.kde.org?

In T8162#131874, @ngraham wrote:

I would include it. Don't forget there's also blogs.kde.org, though...

I thought that was semi-deprecated? If it's not, IMHO, it should be. We don't want messaging to be too diluted. Is there any chance we could move over everything there to either dot.kde.org or planet.kde.org?

Based on what I know about planet.kde.org and the way it works, it shouldn't be too difficult to move stuff from blogs.kde.org. But that's a discussion for another time and place, probably.

For now, I'll just add Planet, and we'll see if others agree with it being up there.

Projects/Software

I would create some sort of separation here between Plasma and Kubuntu. I'm getting ready to swap from Plasma to Kubuntu for a more stable experience. (less updates - less breakage - I run both now)

Some people might want the more cutting edge but I need stability on this machine.

In T8162#131877, @johnpaulding wrote:

Projects/Software

I would create some sort of separation here between Plasma and Kubuntu. I'm getting ready to swap from Plasma to Kubuntu for a more stable experience. (less updates - less breakage - I run both now)

Some people might want the more cutting edge but I need stability on this machine.

Hi John,

This is not the task where we discuss content. Just overall structure. Please hold this thought and bring it up when we start creating content.

Thanks

I suggest to wait for the actual switch of the main site and see what Haris has done with the WP, as he consolidated a lot of what has been given and then start to change or finetune that and NOT all change it at once again.
Just my 2 cents.

In T8162#131883, @starbuck wrote:

I suggest to wait for the actual switch of the main site and see what Haris has done with the WP, as he consolidated a lot of what has been given and then start to change or finetune that and NOT all change it at once again.
Just my 2 cents.

Hello Clemens,

The board asked us explicitly to plan the sitemap and start producing content for each section. When this will be implemented, I don't know, but we were told we had to be ready.

The idea is that, besides changing the back end, there would be a revamp of the structure and content of KDE.org. This is because the old site is not working very well for the visitors: we have data that proves there has been a decline in visits over the years and that, unfortunately, the decline in visits is affecting other sites that rely on KDE.org (such as dot.kde.org). In consequence, it is very important we change to something more useful and attractive for visitors. Changing the back end without touching the structure and content of the site will not help because the back end has no effect on the users.

I hope that clarifies why we are carrying out this task.

In T8162#131875, @skadinna wrote:

In T8162#131874, @ngraham wrote:

I would include it. Don't forget there's also blogs.kde.org, though...

I thought that was semi-deprecated? If it's not, IMHO, it should be. We don't want messaging to be too diluted. Is there any chance we could move over everything there to either dot.kde.org or planet.kde.org?

Based on what I know about planet.kde.org and the way it works, it shouldn't be too difficult to move stuff from blogs.kde.org. But that's a discussion for another time and place, probably.

For now, I'll just add Planet, and we'll see if others agree with it being up there.

blogs.ko is for hosting peoples blogs (that don't use their own or other website for this) ie. original blog posts are hosted here

planetkde.org is a central place that list "all" the blog posts by people in kde in a single easy to find location

so they have completely different purposes. planetkde.org is there for the place we should be linking to, it in turn will syndicate any posts from blogs hosted on blogs.ko (assuming the blog has been added to planet, that is a manual step)

Before we close this at 10 pm CET tonight, we should probably also look at other similar sites, like:

• https://www.gnome.org/
• https://www.mozilla.org/
• https://www.canonical.com/
• https://www.videolan.org/index.html
• https://microsoft.com
• https://adobe.com
• https://apple.com
• ???

And see if we are missing anything really obvious. Check and what seems to work for you and what doesn't.

Here's another really important thing I forgot: "how to get KDE software!"

A major problem right now is that people see our stuff, but it's really hard to figure out how to get it. We should make it super super super obvious how to get KDE software, both in standalone form, from Linux distros, and also in pre-installed form on purchaseable hardware. This should probably be a centralized page, with links leading to it from all the individual pages for our varies products.

In T8162#132052, @ngraham wrote:

Here's another really important thing I forgot: "how to get KDE software!"

A major problem right now is that people see our stuff, but it's really hard to figure out how to get it. We should make it super super super obvious how to get KDE software, both in standalone form, from Linux distros, and also in pre-installed form on purchaseable hardware. This should probably be a centralized page, with links leading to it from all the individual pages for our varies products.

Hanging off of "Projects/Software"? Or do you think another top level menu "Downloads"?

Edit: Or hanging off of "Store/Get Stuff" > "Apps"?

Not even necessarily "Downloads", but more something like "Get KDE Software" that does include download links, and links to distros and Neon and the Slimbook people's store, etc. That way we can centralize our own downloads here and also provide an obvious place to add more partner links, as more emerge.

In T8162#132055, @ngraham wrote:

Not even necessarily "Downloads", but more something like "Get KDE Software" that does include download links, and links to distros and Neon and the Slimbook people's store, etc. That way we can centralize our own downloads here and also provide an obvious place to add more partner links, as more emerge.

So, where would you like it to go?

Preferably in the always-visible global menu.

As I suggested in the chat, we could use the experience of other projects and make it a button, not a menu.

Not a bad idea!

My personal favorite here is Mozilla; I think they've done the download banner just right:

There's, however, a problem with this approach: our homepage currently displays a slideshow at this location, which we wouldn't want to move...

Maybe we would, or make it smaller and fit in more stuff in the visible part of the site.

BUT

Don't worry about this now. Hold all these thoughts, please, because deciding on the content of each page is the next step, not this one.

In T8162#132079, @ngraham wrote:

Not a bad idea!

So hold that though until we discuss content, yes?

Ok, assuming it can be made a menu later if the button fails, I'm good to move on :)

+1, button or menu is fine with me, as long as it's somehow visible by default.